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you're in the paracast the gold standard

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of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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so we have

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joining us and of course he is credited

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on the power cache site as being a tv

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producer for powercast plus but he

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really done anything in terms of content

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there but we're hoping things will

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happen eventually but let's continue

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here with some good stuff i want to

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welcome you back first of all this is i

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think the fourth time you've been on the

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we hope to have chris o'brien here but

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he's running late

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from a project

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and so at the last minute he ended up

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not being available so it's you

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and me

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i can't imagine a paracast without chris

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but i'll i'll try to make it

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well we'll make you the chris for this

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particular case now

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when we look at your background here and

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all the things you've done in terms of

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our paranormal universe

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when

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you were a kid did you say i want to be

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a film producer or a video producer

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with paranormal content

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so yeah actually it was none of those

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i didn't have any idea of directions

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that i was going to go in in fact i

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thought i was going to do a whole lot of

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different stuff when i was a kid i

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thought i was going to be a rock star so

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i had a long um a long journey

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and i actually took a long time getting

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to the video world i ended up in

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graphics and graphic arts and ad design

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and all that kind of thing and i worked

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for several companies and then started

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my own and i did uh

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i eventually ended up living in florida

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with a screen printing company that was

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uh doing pretty well i used to write for

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the magazines and so i was very popular

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and i decided to make an instructional

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video about screen printing so i hired

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this guy to do it and i wrote it and

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directed it and that was about the time

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of the oj trial give you an idea of of

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time frame oh yes the ij trial i had so

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much fun making the video that i decided

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that i really wanted to go in that

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direction so i actually bought half of

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what used to be joe scarborough's

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recording studio in pensacola

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the deal that i made with those guys i

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was producing an audio book at the time

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because i was writing fiction i was

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actually the publicity chairman for the

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horror writers association for a short

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stint and i put my i hired this

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recording studio to help me make this

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audio book and the guy was having

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problems with his partner and i just

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everything fell into place for me to buy

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half the recording studio saw my screen

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printing company uh and

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immediately go into video production

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and i had never picked up a camera

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didn't know anything about any of it and

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within the first six months i'd already

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started winning awards and so it just

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started it just took off from there

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machine the way it works so

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to like discovery channel and national

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geographic and i learned very quickly

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that you can't break through those doors

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but they're welcome to they welcome your

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ideas which if they like them they just

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so after seeing a couple of my show

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pitches end up on tv i realized that i

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wasn't gonna win in that game so i

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started just creating my own individual

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you know just making my own stuff and i

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ended up in sedona where i'd met

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somebody that i wanted to work on a

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so both of these guys were very

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influential i hadn't yet really forayed

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into the paranormal it was it had always

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been a topic of interest for me you know

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nick pope and i'd see these guys in

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friedman on tv and i'd be like wow man

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there's a sane voice in in this world

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here's a scientist that's willing to say

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that maybe there's something to this but

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it was an interesting turn of events but

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i met steve bassett and he hired me to

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and so that's what led me into the et

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field and then you know i met chris

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there in sedona and chris and i

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worked together for the whole seven

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you know i've won some of the ebe awards

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my channel my tv show bigger questions i

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put it out on youtube for free and it's

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it's getting a lot of views it's one of

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the most popular shows of its kind

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for a special interest set based talk

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show that's out there on youtube and i

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just you know i just keep doing it i

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believe in the uh that the two most

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important questions facing humanity is

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the issue of life after death and the

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e.t question and i think that humanity

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is on a collision course with a bad

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destiny and if we do not have some kind

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of paradigm shifting event

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then you know things aren't going to end

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well and so i really think those are the

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only two things that are going to wake

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up enough people simultaneously that

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maybe we can take a deep breath and put

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on the brakes of

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our own

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course towards calamity

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you know when i look at the situation

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right now forget whether you're democrat

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republican you live in another country

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i just see stupid i see lots of people

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doing stupid things

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and not sitting back and trying to

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figure out real solutions and it's

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making a mess of everything like i said

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it doesn't matter what your political

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party is you can't think

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that we found any answers to anything

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lack any kind of unifying force on the

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planet there is nothing happening right

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of any significant um scope that is

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aimed at unifying humanity

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you know we can say that we can sit in a

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yoga class in la and talk about how

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advanced we are and how spiritually

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evolving the planet is but you know we

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so the idea that there's no real global

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leadership there's no real philosophical

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um motivation for human beings to clean

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up the the world around them and

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clean up the world inside of them and a

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lot of people i think you know are are

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lost in the walking dead syndrome they

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resigned to the fact that we're just

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the fan well then it might be too late

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people see ufos or have other paranormal

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experiences is not so much that there is

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a physical phenomenon there but it

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serves as a message or a guide post for

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well you know gene i think that the

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nature of reality is so fluid and so

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just really hard to comprehend

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that there's a very very thin line

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even if there's even a line there at all

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so to take these experiences and these

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phenomena and

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try to box them into something that fits

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with our own ability to perceive what's

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any longer you know we have guys out

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there right now telling these wild

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and then we have all the people out

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there that are saying oh that's that's

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impossible you're just a hoaxer and i

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look at these things and i'm like okay

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if uh if you

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are five years old and you end up being

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age forwarded to mars and you spend 15

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years doing something and then you get

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dream yeah but also call yourself john

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carter because that's kind of the way

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edgar rice burroughs wrote that

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character that he falls asleep in a cave

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realities out there and if you have

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enough of your own personal mind power

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instead of spending a lot of time trying

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to attack people's minutia we need to

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realize that there's just a lot of stuff

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going on that we can't explain and so

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it's really easy to go okay well i don't

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abductions it's my labs um the fact of

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the matter is this stuff's happening and

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my personal belief is

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coming to the point where i think

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that the laws of reality within this

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matrix that we're living in taking it

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for granted that we are living in some

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sort of a simulation

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are so flexible that anything can happen

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anything can be true and things can be

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true and false at the same time just

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like just like um just like quantum

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computing so it's really hard to box

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so all we can do at this point is just

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sit and wonder at all of it and try to

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make sense of it all and do the best we

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can as people to to try and be a part of

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a human evolution that succeeds i think

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we're we're in a simulation where we're

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here to learn a lesson or evolve as

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spiritual beings and since we're walking

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around in human body why not play the

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game as good as we can and so that's

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lately after a huge journey we're going

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[Music]

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ron james

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number four attempt to

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join us in the power cast we're going

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through his background his beliefs and

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everything before we get into a lot of

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the specific stuff

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but do you think therefore that this is

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the matrix universe

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and that we're in cocoons or something

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right now that you and i are sitting in

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a cocoon we're generating a collective

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or individual reality and if we know

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that maybe we can change it well i think

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the idea of sitting in a cocoon is still

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basically

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assuming that there's a physical form if

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if you're an energetic being able to

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take the energy and create a physical

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reality around you

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there is no real physical reality that

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that makes a lot more sense especially

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according to physics and what people on

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the cutting edge of physics are starting

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to look at then that we're in a cocoon

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somewhere that's a physical place and

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we're just dreaming this reality

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you know i do a lot of stuff with nasim

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harmi and i just helped him screen his

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new film in sedona and i actually had a

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chance to sit down and talk to him he's

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got a fascinating new theory and a lot

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of people say you know nassim stuff is

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fringe science it's not peer-reviewed

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it's too metaphysical but he has

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actually sent his latest theory in for

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peer review and gotten very positive

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results and the basic layman's version

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of what he's saying is that you know

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they're always saying the consciousness

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exists in the brain neuroscience says

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that when the brain dies consciousness

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dies but nasim is saying that looking

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for consciousness memories an individual

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inside the brain

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is like opening up a radio looking for

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the guitar player it's not there and

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he's saying that with all the brain

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research that's been going on they still

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can't really find where we store

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memories

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which is you know arguably the largest

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data set that would be part of the human

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brain function and so what he's

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proposing is that

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everything exists in the energetic ether

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reality we all know physical reality is

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formed by vibrating energy it's it's

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really not here the illusion of a table

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it's not really a table it's it's energy

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that's pretty well accepted throughout

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science so we already know that the

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illusion of physical reality is truly an

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illusion and so what he's saying is that

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that energetic matrix that makes up the

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sum of all consciousness

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is also where our consciousness is

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housed it is not in our brain in a

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physical form it is part of that energy

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and that each human being in order to

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come into

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this simulation is tuned to a certain

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frequency that experiences that

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consciousness so our individuality is

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really a frequency inside of the

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energetic hologram

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so when you start thinking about that if

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he's right it proves life after death

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scientifically it proves that the

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existence of consciousness transcends

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the death of the physical body and it

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plays into what we're starting to

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realize about our reality and more and

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more scientists are piling onto the idea

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that hey you know we this very very well

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could be a simulation there's a lot of

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experiments going on

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that are really starting to look at this

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there's even one over in france i

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believe where they're trying to figure

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out the pixel count of the illusion in

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other words how high-res is this and

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with quantum computing you know david

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deutsch is an author who says that yeah

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once we develop quantum computing we're

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going to be able to create convincing

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artificial worlds and by using the

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calculations inside the turing principle

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that says that you know things will

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exponentially grow and that if something

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is possible

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it's probably already happened somewhere

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it almost brings us to the world now

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of vr

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and ar oh yeah things that we're

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experimenting with

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with existing computer systems in fact

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apple has made a big investment in that

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in his future operating systems where

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suddenly hundreds of millions of people

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will take advantage of this

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but that's still many steps removed from

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what you're talking about

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but

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it's the concept is there

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that we exist it's totally getting

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reality and now we'll have a faux

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reality that's no different from a real

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reality we see it on tv all the time a

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long time ago called the 13th floor that

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really explored that it was way ahead of

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its time

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and there's another example recently on

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the sci-fi channel there's a show called

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dark matter and dark matter has nothing

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to do with the don eker show that

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recently ended its run or

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the

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version that art bell had it's where

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they have this computer where someone

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died and they uploaded their

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consciousness digitally to the computer

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so if you enter this particular realm

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you can actually have physical

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interactions with that person

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it's not that far-fetched there's been a

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lot of

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dick wrote about it there's been movies

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um you know the whole idea that we could

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transfer consciousness into artificial

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intelligence

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i mean into an artificial

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intelligence scenario is is possible i

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think we're not going to see it in our

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lifetimes but it just goes to show that

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the fabric of reality and the

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walls of the illusion and the rules of

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the illusion are are very flexible

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speaking of philip k dick the arnold

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schwarzenegger movie and the rather bad

556
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remake total recall it was kind of like

557
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that where you go in there into this

558
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place and you live in a simulation of a

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vacation

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and then suddenly for arnold

561
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schwarzenegger it becomes something real

562
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and maybe you're never 100 sure at the

563
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end of the movie

564
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what was real

565
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:58,720
exactly i mean that was a that was a

566
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really good example of that and it's

567
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also a good example of you know what is

568
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reality and so i just think for for all

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of that i'm just sitting back and

570
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watching because as it unfolds i often

571
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joke around with people it's like we're

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we come into this physical realm we

573
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purposely make ourselves deaf dumb and

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blind and i think that one of the

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greatest achievements we can do while

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we're here is figure out our way back

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out

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particular situation but we don't want

579
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to get into that i want to bore

580
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our listeners to death

581
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okay but you still of course as a

582
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documentary filmmaker you have to deal

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with physical equipment and everything

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else for those who listen to our other

585
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show the tech night out live

586
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what kind of equipment do you use what

587
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kind of editing systems do you use

588
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well you know i'm i'm blessed among my

589
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peers because you know a lot of people

590
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that doubt when my field don't

591
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don't make enough money to sustain

592
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anything significant but

593
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um i just got

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four brand new panasonic ux 180 uh 4k

595
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camcorders they're just absolutely

596
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stunning i've got a brand new tricaster

597
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mini that you know it's a it's a live

598
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switching live streaming machine so

599
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we're doing a lot of live streaming in

600
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fact i'd like to talk about that in a

601
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bit and i have this really incredible

602
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you're talking about virtual reality i

603
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just picked up this camera called the

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aura

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orah it's the world's first vr camera

606
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that is capable of live stitching the

607
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four views together and live streaming

608
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virtual reality

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so in other words i can set it in my

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living room and you can put a headset on

611
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wherever you are in the world and you

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can see what i see you can look up and

613
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see my ceiling you can look down and see

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my carpet and you can look out my ocean

615
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about my window and see the ocean it's

616
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just it's just an incredible piece of

617
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technology

618
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and then i've got a

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studio that i shoot in

620
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i've managed to get a really nice

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warehouse and i've got my own spaceship

622
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set

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where we should move on tv and some

624
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other things kendrick lamar the big

625
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um

626
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performance artist shot his video in my

627
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spaceship in fact if you google george

628
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clinton kendrick lamar spaceship you'll

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see my spaceship set in the video and

630
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then you know i've been lucky enough to

631
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do a lot of mainstream stuff in addition

632
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to the stuff that i do in the paranormal

633
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field so i do a tv show with a guy named

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damon dash uh he's an african american

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that founded rockefeller records with

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jay-z

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and we do this whole stick where we kind

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of sit and compare notes on current

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events from our two vastly different

640
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perspectives let's do our break here sir

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second radio show and by the way ron

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kind of helped us there where we made a

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so ron was telling us about his

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equipment his 4k cameras his vr camera

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but you're not ready for the 8k the red

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camera for 50 000 yet well you know if i

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want one of those in hollywood they're

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easy to come on but i'm not a filmmaker

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as much as you know i'm not going out

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making feature films like with single

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camera sci-fi movies that you're going

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to see in the theater i'm more of a talk

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show documentary set-based stuff that

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uses the three or four camera live live

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setup and switching and so the i don't

774
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need a camera like that but you know

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again in la we have a website called

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there it's easy to get there's nothing

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that we can't offer our clients as far

782
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as what they want i do a lot of video

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production for

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companies i do a lot of video production

785
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for tv shows i do stuff that ends up on

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directv so you know that's kind of how i

787
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pay the bills um besides doing my own

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things so anything that's out there we

789
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can get what about in terms of editing

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what kind of equipment do you work with

791
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so i have the new mac pros i've got two

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of them and then i've got um two

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flat screen imacs and then i've got two

794
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of the older mac pro silver towers so

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i've got six edit suites all together um

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and i was on final cut

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but apple committed suicide in my

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opinion with that

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they definitely made the mistake of

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moving to final cut 10 which is

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incompatible with anything so i jumped

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over to premiere and so i'm a big fan of

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the adobe suite and it's pretty much

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what i use sometimes people will ask for

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avid or some other format and if

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necessary you know i know enough about

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that stuff to be able to get the job

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done you do know of course with final

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cut pro 10 they have made huge numbers

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of changes over the years to try to

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restore the silly stuff they pulled out

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yeah but it's too little too late you

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know when i realized that i couldn't

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work in final cut 7 anymore because the

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new codecs just weren't the software

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just couldn't handle it so when

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everything went to avc hd

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which is a acquisition format that

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panasonic likes i'm running panasonic

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cameras uh it just wasn't working in

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final cut and when i jumped into final

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cut 10 it was like

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you know i don't have to learn this

824
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stuff again so i downloaded a sam a

825
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,240
trial version of premiere and it took me

826
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,039
less than a day to move from final cut 7

827
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,279
to premiere because they were so similar

828
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:29,679
and honestly when you're doing what you

829
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do

830
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and learn a new software program i

831
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,919
needed to get the job done so i just

832
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,080
switched and if apple's trying to make

833
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,760
up for it that's fine but they missed

834
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the boat

835
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well look they're still selling your

836
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computers right now they're selling

837
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final cut pro 10 for 300

838
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so i doubt that they're really making

839
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:49,039
that much money are you going to

840
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consider by the way getting back to

841
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:52,720
technology and then we'll leave it this

842
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,399
new imac pro 5 000 computer workstation

843
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,360
with the standard 5k slim imac yeah i

844
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,200
haven't looked into the tech specs on it

845
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,279
you know apple walks a very very

846
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,360
interesting line they're uncanny at

847
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,000
being able to divide price points with

848
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,919
features and keep everything you know

849
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,080
like the most expensive one in the in

850
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the at the level right below no matter

851
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,080
what the model is just a little bit less

852
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,039
than the the one in the next tier and so

853
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:21,279
i haven't looked into that um

854
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,399
i'm a two or three monitor person so

855
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,080
the all-in-one computers don't really do

856
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,559
that much for me anyway because

857
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:30,880
i need to be able to

858
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:32,799
have a lot of real estate on my screen

859
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,200
let me tell you now imac pro will be

860
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,519
able to run two external 5k displays in

861
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,840
addition to the internal one

862
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,360
what do you think the benefit of the

863
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,919
imac is compared to the like i've got

864
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,399
i've got two of the mac pro trash cans a

865
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,159
lot of people think that they're

866
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:49,840
overpriced maybe they are but they've

867
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been

868
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really really good

869
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,960
so i'm not ready to buy new tech i just

870
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,480
bought a new

871
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,039
imac pro or just a new mac pro for the

872
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,159
studio so i just bought another one um

873
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,760
but i'll keep my eye on it it's coming

874
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,039
out in december and there's going to be

875
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,840
a brand new mac pro form factor

876
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,760
not the trash can but something that you

877
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,159
could really go back to the original

878
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,000
cheese grater style where you can

879
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,919
upgrade what it looks like

880
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,000
no one's seen it what it looks like

881
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,399
now you know the imac pro is just a dark

882
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:23,039
gray imac with

883
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,240
the same

884
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,159
guts as any professional workstation

885
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:28,559
xeon processors high-end

886
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:32,000
graphics ecc memory that kind of thing

887
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,679
so that's what that is with a new

888
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,200
cooling system to handle it but

889
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,360
otherwise other than the color from the

890
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,440
outside looks just like the 5k imac

891
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:41,760
today the new mac pro apple's coming out

892
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,440
with in 2018 with a new line of displays

893
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,200
and i'm saying dives to donuts apple

894
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,519
already has 5k displays down pat nobody

895
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,080
can match apple with 5k displays in

896
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,480
terms of what they can do with it i

897
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,039
think apple's going to come out with

898
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:59,519
probably an 8k

899
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:00,640
display

900
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,679
know you got the menu bars and

901
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,600
everything if you're doing final cut

902
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,320
that's the logic behind 5k you edit 4k

903
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:10,640
movies with enough room for the other

904
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,919
stuff so they would have a 10k display

905
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,600
and i would see that if they want to get

906
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,039
the professional

907
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:18,799
workstation market

908
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,200
if the industry is moving towards 8k

909
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,039
obviously feature films not

910
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,080
tv documentaries that's my prediction

911
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,320
and it doesn't mean anything because

912
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,760
apple already knows what it's going to

913
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:31,760
do and they didn't ask me but i was

914
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,960
pretty good about predicting a few

915
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:34,399
things from apple so let's leave it

916
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,200
there

917
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,600
all right let's get back to the

918
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,200
practical point of view here which is

919
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,760
our power normal universe and the main

920
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,000
topic which people are waiting for is

921
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,760
the fact that

922
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,159
among the people you've dealt with

923
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,840
it's move on

924
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,519
how did that come about you know it's

925
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,200
interesting how that started i was the

926
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:55,679
emcee of paula harris's star works

927
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,480
conference um last year or the year

928
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,440
before

929
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,600
i can't even remember now but i was

930
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,840
backstage with jan harzan who i had just

931
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,840
met and jaime

932
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,600
and jaime walked up to jan and said you

933
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,119
know john you really should set up some

934
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,919
sort of a mufon television channel and

935
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,000
put your stuff behind a paywall and and

936
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,679
and that's how it should work

937
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:17,119
and i looked at jen and i looked at

938
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,480
jaime and i said well you guys you know

939
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,800
that's exactly what my company does and

940
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,639
so six months later we negotiated a

941
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:24,639
contract with mufon to joint venture

942
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,599
mufon television which is basically

943
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,760
we're independent of mufon but we do

944
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:31,520
have their content and we do a lot of

945
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,560
the things

946
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that we think are going to move the

947
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brand and also the cause in whole new

948
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directions

949
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okay tell us more specifically so you go

950
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,720
online on youtube for this or what no

951
00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:46,240
you can get a lot of mufon material on

952
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,639
youtube for free but mufon is it's mufon

953
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,000
television.com and it's a subscription

954
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,000
site you get it free with uh your

955
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,040
enhanced buffon membership and you also

956
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,280
can subscribe to it individually for

957
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,520
4.99 a month and

958
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:03,040
it's just a lot of commercial free

959
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,800
content so you don't have to sit through

960
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,040
the stuff on on youtube we curate a lot

961
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,680
of things and we also you know create

962
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,920
original stuff we're getting ready to do

963
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:13,680
a live show every two weeks we're live

964
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,720
streaming the mufon 2017 symposium uh so

965
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,560
that members of mufon television can

966
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,240
watch that unfold which i'm sure is

967
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,160
going to be pretty interesting we're

968
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setting up the platform to really take

969
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the strength of the mufon organization

970
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,480
love it or hate it it's still the

971
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largest organization of its type

972
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dedicated to the scientific

973
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understanding of the et phenomenon in

974
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the free world and there's power in that

975
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and taking that organization and its

976
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reach and its ability to to hold members

977
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together

978
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,839
and reach out for more we're going to

979
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start flexing some of those muscles into

980
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,160
some other avenues of

981
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,320
trying to get to the truth now you talk

982
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:54,880
about the truth and of course

983
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:57,680
roufon had this deal for this tv show

984
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:00,960
hanger one and unfortunately truth and

985
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,680
hanger one seem to be in different

986
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,680
dimensions anytime you're dealing with

987
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,520
television you just have to accept the

988
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,040
fact that these guys operate by a

989
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,599
different set of parameters than a lot

990
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:13,040
of other people do

991
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,560
television has to meet dramatic

992
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:16,800
standards it has to meet ratings the

993
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,640
truth is and a tv show are very rarely

994
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,800
in unison and that's why i'm not making

995
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,440
tv shows i'm making my own stuff because

996
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,160
i don't have those pressures so all

997
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,920
buffon did where hanger one was

998
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,359
concerned is give them some of their

999
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,400
files license the name and and get a

1000
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,480
royalty off the shows and then the

1001
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television dramatic machine takes its

1002
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its its thing and does what it does

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1005
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a net gain

1006
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,440
i gotta break it here and we'll go on

1007
00:36:59,640 --> 00:36:50,000
more with ron james i'm gene steinberg

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1097
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1099
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1100
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1101
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1102
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,920
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1103
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:06,319
go to libertyoncall.org that's

1104
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:18,309
hi it's grant cameron from presidential

1105
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:22,079
ufo.com you're listening to the paracast

1106
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,470
so ron james is telling us about the

1107
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:35,119
hanger one show this history channel

1108
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:36,560
right yeah i think it was history

1109
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:39,280
channel okay so the key here is that

1110
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:42,880
when it comes to this particular show

1111
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,040
mufon licenses

1112
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,800
their content to them

1113
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,640
but it wasn't even that the show was

1114
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:49,920
produced by an outside production

1115
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,880
company obviously and the whole idea

1116
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,359
that these this is from the mufon files

1117
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,960
and that there's this secret hanger out

1118
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,960
in the desert populated by hot babes and

1119
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,640
skirts with transparent screens walking

1120
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:02,400
around i mean obviously that's not

1121
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,599
really the case

1122
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:05,200
there's a lot of dramatic license in the

1123
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,000
show

1124
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,480
what the arrangement was was basically

1125
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,079
let us look at your files let us get

1126
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,079
stuff out of there that that makes good

1127
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,000
stories and let us let us build the

1128
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,560
mystique around the thing and certainly

1129
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,960
nobody disputes that

1130
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,359
there is you know no real hanger one

1131
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,359
it's all it's all just tv drama but the

1132
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,800
fact of the matter is

1133
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,079
nobody should be getting upset about

1134
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,760
that it's it's how it's done it made the

1135
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,119
show more exciting because if you went

1136
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:31,200
to the mufon office and said this is

1137
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,880
mufon hq it'd be like um okay

1138
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,040
trust me hangar one looked a lot cooler

1139
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,359
okay so mufon doesn't worry about

1140
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,359
dramatic license

1141
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,040
no that's not what i'm saying

1142
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,440
and also i should preface this

1143
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,760
officially i am not affiliated with

1144
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:48,880
mufon

1145
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,240
management and i do not have a position

1146
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,640
to speak for mufon i'm just telling you

1147
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,960
from the standpoint of being closely

1148
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:58,960
tied with them as a as a partner in

1149
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,839
mufon television that you know i know a

1150
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:04,079
certain amount of things that that i can

1151
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,520
speak about but i am not an official

1152
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,920
voice of mufon but what i can say about

1153
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,480
that is yeah anytime there's television

1154
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,680
very rarely you're going to find

1155
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,920
somebody let television come in and take

1156
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,280
their story

1157
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,280
that is happy with how it turned out and

1158
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,200
again you got to look at the net gain

1159
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,400
mufon had no editorial abilities on any

1160
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:24,000
of this

1161
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,800
so

1162
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,480
you know it's not like they approved the

1163
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,079
scripts and allowed the shows to go

1164
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,839
through and all of that kind of thing

1165
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,359
they licensed the name they gave the

1166
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,160
stories over and then the dramatists

1167
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,240
that made the television show cool and

1168
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,240
good and something that would please the

1169
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,079
history channel executives for ratings

1170
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,000
took over and went from there

1171
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,560
so they knew going in this is going to

1172
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,800
happen though what comes out is going to

1173
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:47,839
be

1174
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,880
a bit or far removed from the actual

1175
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:53,040
truth it's just going to be

1176
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,640
a docudrama

1177
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,640
well let's think about that for a second

1178
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,319
do you have anything specific that you

1179
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,800
can say that varies wildly from the

1180
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,280
mufon case files because there's one

1181
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:05,440
about documents that technically didn't

1182
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,640
exist

1183
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,400
the reports are

1184
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,200
certainly heavily exaggerated and like

1185
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,839
that they're taking dramatic license

1186
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,079
with real things and you can decide the

1187
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,079
benefit of that i mean when we have a

1188
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,599
docudrama

1189
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,960
for example

1190
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,480
you know that

1191
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,599
you have a core reality to it and it's

1192
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,680
dramatized or you might compress

1193
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,680
characters you've got to fill 43 minutes

1194
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,680
so you have something where you got to

1195
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:33,680
have three acts a three-act play or

1196
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,640
something and you're taking the basic

1197
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:39,280
facts but you might compress episodes

1198
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,560
you might

1199
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:43,119
have instead of real people composites

1200
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,480
there are all sorts of things that can

1201
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,480
be altered well which non-existent

1202
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,240
documents are we talking about i would

1203
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,920
have to look up the exact thing because

1204
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,319
i didn't specifically do it but there

1205
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,920
are specific documents that were

1206
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,920
mentioned that have nothing to do with

1207
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,240
reality and it's that kind of thing

1208
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,240
which is difficult and if you want me to

1209
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:02,000
get you the specifics i'll be happy to

1210
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,839
do it we certainly can't speak to

1211
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,560
ambiguity so that wouldn't be anything

1212
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,160
that i would be able to comment on all i

1213
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,400
can say is that i totally enjoyed hangar

1214
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,920
one i thought it was a cool show i

1215
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,839
thought they tried to bring a flare to

1216
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,680
it that a lot of these other ufo shows

1217
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,000
haven't had and honestly if you can show

1218
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,160
me one e.t based show that's on

1219
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,560
television that hasn't inflated things

1220
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,400
for the sake of drama i'd you know i'd

1221
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,079
be hard-pressed to

1222
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,079
to disagree with you so

1223
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,800
i can't speak to individual instances of

1224
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,520
exaggerated truth in the hanger one show

1225
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,079
but i think that the net value of

1226
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,599
getting that information out there and

1227
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,920
enticing people to look into it

1228
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,839
outweighs anything that that might have

1229
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,960
been done

1230
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,280
for dramatic flair i mean let's face it

1231
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,280
if we can get one person

1232
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,800
nobody takes what they watch on

1233
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,960
television and goes oh i'm an expert in

1234
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:53,200
the et field all we can hope for from

1235
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,240
the mainstream television shows is this

1236
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,440
that we get some people that watch this

1237
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,000
that go wow there might be something to

1238
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,920
this and then they hop on the computer

1239
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,599
and they start doing their own research

1240
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,359
and they find out for themselves and

1241
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:09,440
they make their own decisions that is

1242
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,400
the net value of these kind of programs

1243
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,680
by the way let me give you an example

1244
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,760
chris o'brien has a long post

1245
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:18,319
it's being your chris on hanger one he

1246
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,440
and kurt collins posted reviews of it

1247
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,200
and they mentioned they have a document

1248
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:25,839
on there which is kind of sort of

1249
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,400
adapted from the alleged mj12 documents

1250
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,400
it's number one when you say it's

1251
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,960
adapted from the mj12 documents what

1252
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,560
does that mean it means they just they

1253
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:36,000
took text

1254
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,079
sentences from mj12 to craft a fake memo

1255
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:42,640
on the show the second thing is let's go

1256
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,680
on here the second thing here mentioning

1257
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:47,920
john ventra who's a

1258
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,319
rather controversial mufon state

1259
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:52,240
director and he's one of the stars of

1260
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,520
hanger one

1261
00:46:58,750 --> 00:46:55,920
and he mentions the missing malaysia

1262
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:58,760
airlines flight 370 was abducted by

1263
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,839
extraterrestrials that's nonsense okay

1264
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,240
you know gene mufon receives a lot of

1265
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,720
reports this show is about reports that

1266
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,040
come to mufon if somebody hits mufon

1267
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:10,960
with a theory about what happened to a

1268
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,760
flight or a theory about anything 90 of

1269
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,599
the reports that come into mufon are

1270
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,000
debunked immediately so if somebody

1271
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:19,599
wants to grab a report and say something

1272
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,480
like that fine i find it hard to believe

1273
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:24,000
i'd have to look and see it for myself

1274
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,440
but i find it hard to believe that john

1275
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,200
venturi went on television and said that

1276
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,000
he believed and mufon believed that the

1277
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,640
flight was abducted by aliens he might

1278
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,200
have said somebody said that or that is

1279
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,839
a theory or that is a speculation but i

1280
00:47:42,550 --> 00:47:39,440
can hardly believe that that was allowed

1281
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,560
to be put on as an official stance of

1282
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,160
the organization

1283
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,800
well from what we're looking at here yes

1284
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:49,200
there's several stories posted online

1285
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:50,160
that

1286
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,040
argument here i'm making about this is

1287
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:00,400
it's one thing to compress details

1288
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:02,560
to fit 43 minutes

1289
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,839
it's another thing to take

1290
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,040
something with all the really good

1291
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,800
sightings available

1292
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,880
lots of good signs available and take

1293
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:12,480
one and come out with an outlandish

1294
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:13,680
theory because i'm looking at the link

1295
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,800
right now

1296
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,800
and that is definitely what this guy

1297
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:18,960
believes okay well you know gene let's

1298
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:21,920
face it we are in a field that at this

1299
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,559
point in time is nothing but outlandish

1300
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,160
theories so

1301
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,240
everybody that has a viewpoint everybody

1302
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,839
that has an opinion is largely

1303
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,680
expressing something that has no

1304
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:34,800
foundation in solid judicial style proof

1305
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,520
so

1306
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,359
if you want to go oh this guy said this

1307
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,960
or this guy said that and start

1308
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,800
attacking entire organizations because

1309
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:43,200
they voiced their opinion or they made a

1310
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,720
statement in a show that they believe

1311
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,280
something that can't be proven well

1312
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,960
everybody in this field believes

1313
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,200
something that can't be proven okay but

1314
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:53,280
here's the point and so we can get past

1315
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,200
it all right you have a tv show here

1316
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:58,960
and this show

1317
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,079
is representing mufon even if it's

1318
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,720
taking events supposedly real events and

1319
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,800
dramatizing them

1320
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,000
they have something here that's

1321
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,640
representing mufon and i would think

1322
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,839
then

1323
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,520
if you want to represent the best that

1324
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:16,240
the organization delivers

1325
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,040
you

1326
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,800
obviously in the end of the day the

1327
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,920
producers are gonna do what the heck

1328
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,280
they want

1329
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,720
because that's what they're allowed to

1330
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,000
do

1331
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,319
but you try to move them into

1332
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:29,280
emphasizing the most credible cases the

1333
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,599
best arguments you can muster for ufo

1334
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,880
reality

1335
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,480
and that goes back to the days of major

1336
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:35,920
donald kehoe

1337
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,359
presented stuff for nightcap

1338
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,880
whatever you think of what he did and i

1339
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,800
think he made a lot of mistakes and i

1340
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:46,480
knew him very slightly

1341
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:47,200
he

1342
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,720
has been around since 1969

1343
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:58,800
we have this tv show

1344
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,520
hopefully you push upon them

1345
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,920
this is the best evidence we have now

1346
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,440
they can say no we're going to take a

1347
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,440
wild story because that wild story looks

1348
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,760
good on tv and very likely that's what

1349
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:11,599
they can do but you have one of the

1350
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,040
stars there

1351
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,240
being a member of mufon's inner circle

1352
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,160
a former state director until certain

1353
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,480
things happened and you think at least

1354
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,359
he

1355
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,160
independently

1356
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:25,920
would try to be a little more

1357
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,160
circumspect on the tv show this is just

1358
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,480
a point you can disagree with it i just

1359
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,720
think you're presenting a public image

1360
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,800
here people regard a lot of people

1361
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,800
regard ufos as

1362
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,640
wacky subject it's entertainment don't

1363
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:40,640
take it seriously certainly the

1364
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:43,280
mainstream media for the most part we'll

1365
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,240
say

1366
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,800
ufos that's just the story they run when

1367
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,400
it's a like news day they don't have to

1368
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,800
worry about russia and donald trump and

1369
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:52,079
everything else

1370
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,280
that day

1371
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,119
we don't have anything oh we've got this

1372
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,359
interesting ufo sighting a thousand

1373
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,200
people reported a strange light in the

1374
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,119
sky where somebody reported something in

1375
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,440
their backyard that attempted to land

1376
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,599
that kind of thing that's when ufos get

1377
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,599
to play or of course when hillary

1378
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,640
clinton

1379
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:10,960
was interviewed on the subject

1380
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:13,760
and referred to them as uap the more

1381
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:16,240
technical term for ufos and that of

1382
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,359
course

1383
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,800
you know seem to have credibility here

1384
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,880
as a presidential candidate who wants to

1385
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,520
do a real investigation of ufos so i

1386
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:25,680
think it's a matter not on the

1387
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,400
limitations of documentary tv shows but

1388
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:30,640
on putting your best

1389
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,520
foot forward got more of ron james

1390
00:51:41,130 --> 00:51:35,359
intense debate no not really he's a cool

1391
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1445
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and now

1446
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:18,830
here's gene steinberg

1447
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:25,349
so disagree with me ron james if you

1448
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,160
want but don't you think maybe with this

1449
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,240
tv show and i know it's only on for two

1450
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:31,440
years i don't know if there's gonna be a

1451
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,720
third year

1452
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:34,559
that you have what 10

1453
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:36,960
or 13 episodes a year

1454
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,800
you want to put your best foot forward

1455
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,920
don't you

1456
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,920
well you do but you also please

1457
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,359
understand that

1458
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,359
an organization like this

1459
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,680
had not done anything like that before

1460
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,680
so it was new ground it was

1461
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,520
groundbreaking it was a fantastic

1462
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,119
opportunity

1463
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:55,119
i'm not going to say yay or nay that i

1464
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,640
agree or disagree that mistakes were

1465
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,720
made because really that we could debate

1466
00:55:01,829 --> 00:55:00,400
that forever but the fact of the matter

1467
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:01,839
is that

1468
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,000
any organization finding its way and

1469
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:06,559
trying new things is going to do things

1470
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,920
that can become controversial it's not a

1471
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:12,000
reason to trash the organization and

1472
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:13,520
it's not a reason to trash the people

1473
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,800
behind it

1474
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,880
anybody that thinks that mufon is this

1475
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,720
big giant organization with a ton of

1476
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,480
staff and infrastructure and and they're

1477
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,880
capable of doing all this stuff has has

1478
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:24,880
the wrong picture it's a small core

1479
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,920
group of very dedicated people who are

1480
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,280
overworked

1481
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,200
the very few that actually get paid get

1482
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:33,839
paid very little there is no team to

1483
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,160
oversee and approve scripts there is no

1484
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:38,000
big thing to say oh we have to make sure

1485
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,200
that every little thing that gets out

1486
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,520
there is going to be absolutely perfect

1487
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,520
it's just not that big a group and so

1488
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,880
you have a lot of people doing the best

1489
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:45,839
they can

1490
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,559
in the case of john venturi going on the

1491
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,960
show and putting his face in it he was

1492
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,319
in the right place to be able to make

1493
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:54,720
that possible and you know he certainly

1494
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:57,760
maximized his appearances on the show

1495
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,280
to boost his own presence in the field

1496
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,960
you're dealing with uh you know an

1497
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,799
ability to not have

1498
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,400
total control and you're also dealing

1499
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,799
with a situation where it's just people

1500
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,720
and everybody has their own agenda and

1501
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:12,079
everybody has their own thing that they

1502
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,280
want to move forward is it perfect no is

1503
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:18,000
it something that's worthy of attack no

1504
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,359
i would have much preferred to take the

1505
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:22,240
last 15 minutes and focus on the people

1506
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,040
that are really causing harm to every

1507
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:26,880
human being on the planet by not telling

1508
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,440
us the truth because every time we have

1509
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,280
an infight like what's going on with

1510
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,119
mufon right now

1511
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,880
we are letting the people that are

1512
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,119
pulling the puppet strings turn us into

1513
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:39,040
a bunch of street brawlers when really

1514
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,480
we should all be getting together no

1515
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,559
matter what our differences and focusing

1516
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,240
on going after those guys who have been

1517
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,079
lying to us for as long as they've been

1518
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:48,079
lying to us they're the real enemy mufon

1519
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,920
is not an enemy mufon is not an

1520
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,680
organization that needs to be attacked

1521
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:53,359
they're doing some of the best work out

1522
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,480
there and they've been doing it for a

1523
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:57,359
very long time let's get together and

1524
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,079
quit attacking each other and turn our

1525
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:02,799
faces towards the people and the

1526
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,079
organizations that really deserve the

1527
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,920
attack okay let me ask you a question

1528
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,280
here mufon

1529
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:12,480
started out in 1969 as the midwest ufo

1530
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,839
network kind of a splinter group from

1531
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:17,839
apro and i won't get into the

1532
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:19,839
mechanics or background of that

1533
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,319
1969 it's now 2017 as we do this show

1534
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,559
what as a practical matter has mufon

1535
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:28,799
accomplished that we already didn't know

1536
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,000
about ufos in 1969. every day sightings

1537
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,359
happen all over the world nobody has a

1538
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,960
more extensive network of field

1539
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,280
investigators and an organized

1540
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,000
scientific platform to study and

1541
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,000
investigate these occurrences

1542
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,640
they deploy people on a daily basis to

1543
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:48,880
go do the interviews gather the evidence

1544
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,359
take the pictures publish the reports

1545
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:52,880
there's nobody else doing anything like

1546
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,520
that every single day mufon is making a

1547
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:57,520
bigger contribution to this field than

1548
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,559
anyone

1549
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,640
to even ask that question gene seems to

1550
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,040
me to be just a little bit naive nobody

1551
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,720
else is doing this okay there's a lot of

1552
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,680
weight

1553
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,520
well individual researchers are doing

1554
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,920
investigations not big organizations

1555
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,160
there aren't that many but what you're

1556
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,920
not answering is they're collecting lots

1557
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,559
of sightings over the years

1558
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,520
what do we know today significantly that

1559
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,000
we didn't know in 1969

1560
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,079
what do we know after all this work

1561
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,400
they've done decades and decades

1562
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,760
of research what do we know today

1563
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:31,599
of a significant nature we didn't know

1564
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,319
then well i think the mounting evidence

1565
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,640
creates more knowledge okay the fact of

1566
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,079
the matter is that

1567
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,160
just like project blue book for

1568
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:42,079
dozens and hundreds of sightings it's

1569
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,440
not those it's the ones you can't

1570
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:45,280
explain that matter the most

1571
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,839
we have documented for posterity the

1572
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,079
existence of this phenomenon and the

1573
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,559
existence of many unexplainable things

1574
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,760
and so

1575
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:56,160
we know now what we didn't know then in

1576
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,280
that we know

1577
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,520
that we have a greater body of evidence

1578
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:01,760
suggesting and even proving that this is

1579
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,160
a real phenomenon than we did back then

1580
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,799
and so maybe in 1969 there were ten

1581
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,880
cases and now there's ten thousand well

1582
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,480
you know it's a lot more than ten cases

1583
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,839
in nineteen well i'm just taking those

1584
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,680
numbers i'm just making a point okay so

1585
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,680
the point is here they haven't taught us

1586
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,520
anything new about the phenomenon only

1587
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:19,119
we've got more evidence we've got more

1588
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,319
of the same things we have more

1589
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,319
sightings so if we had ten sightings

1590
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,760
then or ten thousand now we have a

1591
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:26,000
hundred thousand so we've got more of

1592
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:27,520
the same things

1593
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,119
they've been documented they've been

1594
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,760
documented in a scientifically

1595
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,640
manner

1596
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:34,160
some of them have been proven some of

1597
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:35,599
them have been debunked some of them

1598
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,160
have just been left open but the fact of

1599
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:40,079
the matter is nobody else is doing that

1600
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,280
you can say well there's these

1601
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:42,960
individual people out there great

1602
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,799
they're doing a study they go and

1603
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,880
investigate a case fine we're

1604
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:48,559
investigating literally every case that

1605
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,680
comes in absent a mufon then all this

1606
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,960
stuff is going to be happening all over

1607
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,400
the world and there's going to be nobody

1608
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,160
left to

1609
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:58,319
correlate it all and to store this

1610
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,799
information and to have it available to

1611
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:02,559
anybody okay but they still have no

1612
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:03,599
results

1613
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:07,760
reason i say that is

1614
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:10,480
okay we'd have ten ufo signs we have a

1615
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,880
thousand we can have a million

1616
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:14,000
we

1617
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,880
okay

1618
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,319
all we know is something weird's going

1619
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,480
on and sometimes it shows craft that's

1620
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:20,559
metallic and capable of incredible

1621
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:21,920
maneuvers something really weird is

1622
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,319
going on we know suggesting that mufon's

1623
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,920
approach is ineffective because they

1624
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,599
haven't produced a smoking gun flying

1625
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:29,119
saucer and i'm saying that we should

1626
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:30,400
always look at our approach and we

1627
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,760
should always question our approach and

1628
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,920
one of the arguments that i've made and

1629
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,599
i'm not condemning the organization i

1630
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:37,760
have a press membership and i try to get

1631
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,400
along with them and i have a certainly i

1632
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,400
think a friendly relationship with jan

1633
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,160
harzan i don't know him well he's been

1634
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,319
on the show and i like the guy but i

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01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,640
have concerns here because i'm wondering

1636
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,160
here if there are things we can do to

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01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:52,240
make it better not assume the method

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01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,319
works but say okay they're doing all

1639
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,559
this stuff one of the big arguments i've

1640
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,000
made and a lot of us have made here in

1641
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,400
the power cast is they should focus more

1642
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,640
on the eyewitness not just the object as

1643
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,400
a separate thing and the questionnaires

1644
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:06,720
and the approach of the investigators

1645
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:09,280
doesn't allow for that

1646
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,960
we question eyewitnesses all the time

1647
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,119
yes you do but the questions do not

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01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:14,960
focus on family history previous

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01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,240
experiences what about for example a

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01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,480
documented connection which our friend

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01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:22,559
red pill junkie has mentioned

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01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:24,799
with near-death experiences and ufo

1653
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:26,000
abductions

1654
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:27,359
i've actually been doing a lot of work

1655
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:29,599
okay you see my points together so you

1656
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,799
see my point my point is here is that

1657
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,359
mufon is focusing more on the event

1658
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:37,200
that's how they started but they are

1659
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,160
expanding that is why i really wish that

1660
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,599
instead of sitting here trying to point

1661
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:43,040
out everything that's wrong with mufon

1662
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:44,559
let's talk about where they're going and

1663
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:45,920
some of the exciting new things that are

1664
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,520
happening sorry i think here if we have

1665
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:51,760
a broken tool we should find a way to

1666
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:54,240
fix the tool to get some more progress

1667
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:56,559
because i don't see the progress i'm

1668
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:59,280
looking at what mufon was saying in 1969

1669
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:01,119
because i got the newsletter then i've

1670
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,799
been around here long enough and i'm

1671
01:02:07,030 --> 01:02:04,559
looking at what they do now

1672
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,040
and the newsletter is fancier it's got

1673
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:09,440
an online version it's digital but i'm

1674
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,880
reading the same stuff

1675
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:12,799
you change the dates you change the

1676
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,079
names it's the same stuff it hasn't

1677
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:18,559
changed at all and i haven't seen any

1678
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,200
results that show a significant secrecy

1679
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,000
takes a long time to shift over 60 years

1680
01:02:29,030 --> 01:02:26,480
mufon has a strength that no other

1681
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,040
organization has and as it changes and

1682
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:31,359
evolves and it is and it will that

1683
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:33,760
strength is really its ultimate source

1684
01:02:39,030 --> 01:02:36,480
of the ability to expand you don't trash

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01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:39,040
an organization you repair it okay okay

1686
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:40,640
but that's the point we're making that

1687
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:45,520
we have now 48 years of mufon 48 years

1688
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:46,720
and this has got to be a pretty big

1689
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,680
bureaucracy if after 48 years we still

1690
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:51,680
have questionnaires that focus primarily

1691
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,079
on the event as opposed to the

1692
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:55,920
eyewitness do they have background

1693
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:57,680
seeing paranormal events what about the

1694
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,559
family history we've got a whole new

1695
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,400
body of research that's looking into the

1696
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:04,240
human aspect of this there's the

1697
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:05,760
abduction phenomenon there's the whole

1698
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,680
life after death connection to all of

1699
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:09,680
the paranormal stuff the people from

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free we're all on the same team in

1701
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,599
looking at the ways that this stuff

1702
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:16,000
fuses the the dr edgar mitchell

1703
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,760
foundation i've worked closely with

1704
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,599
their team there's a lot of research

1705
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,280
going on behind the scenes and a lot of

1706
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,039
alliances that are going to help us pin

1707
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:25,119
this stuff together are we making a lot

1708
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,799
of noise about it no because we're

1709
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:28,240
putting it together and getting some

1710
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:30,640
conclusions but all of this stuff is is

1711
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:32,960
hap since jan harzan took over mufon

1712
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,520
he's managed to make a huge amount of

1713
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,280
positive changes including shoring up

1714
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,599
the organization increasing revenue

1715
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:41,839
increasing its reach increasing a lot of

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01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:42,640
things

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01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,079
i don't think anybody could do a better

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01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,559
job for better or for worse mufon is on

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01:03:55,310 --> 01:03:48,960
the move more to come with ron james i'm

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okay so we're looking into the future

1836
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that mufon is trying to expand its

1837
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:27,279
horizons that raises a few questions

1838
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,080
from a couple of our friends here so

1839
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paul kimball you know paul kimball um no

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okay he's a documentary filmmaker

1841
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:35,679
from

1842
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:37,520
canada who's been

1843
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,120
on the show many times former guest

1844
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,279
co-host so he has a couple of questions

1845
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,960
and some of these are biting but let's

1846
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:44,400
go into it because they relate to what

1847
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,480
we've been talking about here okay let

1848
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:48,319
me just preface it one more time that i

1849
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:50,159
am not an official spokesperson for

1850
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,120
mufon i can voice my opinion

1851
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,440
i'm closely associated but i'm not

1852
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,600
qualified to speak for them

1853
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:59,520
number one how can mufon claim to look

1854
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:02,000
at the matter scientifically when it

1855
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,440
appears to accept the eth as the et fact

1856
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:06,880
what's your response

1857
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,600
well i think that if you look at the

1858
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,600
body of evidence you know we did this

1859
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,199
with the citizen hearing on disclosure

1860
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,120
which is steve bassett and i put

1861
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,520
together he organized it all and and got

1862
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:19,040
the funding for it and i produced all

1863
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,920
the media there's always been a

1864
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,440
saying in the field that if you were

1865
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,279
able to take all the evidence to the et

1866
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phenomenon and parade it in front of a

1867
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court of law

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that the jury in this case using the

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current standards of proof would have no

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choice but to find in favor of the

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existence of the phenomenon so

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we believe we did that with the citizen

1873
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:43,279
hearing on disclosure we took a lot of

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01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:45,679
ex-politicians ex-congress people and we

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put them on the stand and they came in

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01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:51,120
skeptical they came in unsure

1877
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,440
but when they left when we had finished

1878
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,280
presenting the evidence they were all

1879
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unanimous in agreeing that there was

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something to this phenomenon so when we

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say

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that we're approaching it from a

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scientific standpoint but we take the

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stance that something is absolutely

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happening i think there's enough

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evidence out there

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01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:09,760
that

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01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:14,239
say specifically exactly what's going on

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like can we say for sure that a certain

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incident was really et related probably

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01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:21,760
not but at the end of the day

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there's enough evidence out there that

1893
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if anybody really took the time to weigh

1894
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:28,159
all of it and did it with the same

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standard of proof that governs our

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judicial system

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01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,560
again

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if you're doing scientific research in

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the ufos you can say it does appear to

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be a real phenomenon

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we'll go with that but then

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they talk about scientific exploration

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but they're advocating eth and as a

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matter of fact jan harzan said on this

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very program he was rooting for it now

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if you're going to do scientific

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research you don't reach that a

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conclusion yet you first

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look at the evidence and let's look at

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all the possibilities and it looks like

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from the earliest days with mufon it was

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eth you go back as many years as

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possible and the general consensus was

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its eth and it may very well be but we

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haven't proven that yet we can only say

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something's going on we don't understand

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it and we need to but if you prejudge

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the conclusion doesn't that color your

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work i think that the people in the

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organization are entitled to have

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whatever personal opinion they want to

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have

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it doesn't change the fact that mufon is

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in a non-biased manner as much as

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possible digesting this information

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taking it in documenting it and putting

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it out there

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all of these field investigators that

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are out there

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you have to understand they're they're

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doing it because they have an interest

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in a belief in in the phenomenon

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does that mean that their data is is

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wrong well it's the only data out there

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in a lot of cases so what could be said

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about that

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the scientific exploration of something

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01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,080
and the personal belief in something are

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01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,320
two completely different things and

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above all mufon is an organization of

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01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,159
people that believe in this stuff and

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01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,800
have seen enough and are curious enough

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01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:09,040
so i'm not going to say that that to

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have that position and just and to get

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behind those things is a bad thing again

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people are invited to come in explore do

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their own research

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and make up their own minds we're we're

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01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,320
back in a situation where it's like you

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01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:24,480
know let's let's trash each other while

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01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:26,320
the real enemy while the real elephant

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01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:28,159
in the room just continues to sit there

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and fart okay but here's the thing to

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bear in mind here

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because you disagree with something

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doesn't mean you're trashing them you're

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simply saying this hits me the wrong way

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i don't like a policy that's not

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trashing you know

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criticism is you gotta criticize

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yourself let me go on here okay because

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01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,800
there are a couple other things i want

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01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:48,719
to mention about paul's question and

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01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,840
that is some controversy has arisen

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01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:53,440
about this

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01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:56,239
group called inner circle where people

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01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:57,199
who

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01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:59,679
give five thousand dollars or more every

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01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:01,920
year wish someone would do that with me

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01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:03,760
five thousand dollars or more every year

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01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,719
become part of the mufon inner circle

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01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,880
how much influence does this body have

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01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,480
with the organization

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01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,480
okay i know personally some of the

1975
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:14,640
people that are in this inner circle i

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01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:17,600
work with them a lot

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01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,760
jan's stance about that is that this is

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any organization like if you pay extra

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01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:23,760
money to paracast you can live chat with

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01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:25,840
gene how much influence does that put on

1981
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:28,480
you to to shape your show unfortunately

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01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,120
there is no such feature but go ahead

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01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,520
well look at look at coast to coast you

1984
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,040
know the inner circle thing they have

1985
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:37,679
there the the coast insiders you get you

1986
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:40,239
get you get perks and what i'm saying is

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anytime you have an organization that is

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01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,440
surviving on donations you have

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01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:44,880
different donation levels and you have

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01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,239
different things that you give out for

1991
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:48,080
different donations and most of that is

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01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:51,040
largely what you would call ceremonial

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01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,640
like getting an honorary degree from a

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01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,239
university

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01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,120
if the idea that there's these back room

1996
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,440
cigar filled smoke conversations

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01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:01,360
happening where policies are being

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01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,880
decided out of the public view

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01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,239
it's just a little bit far-fetched

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01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:08,800
buffon's not that big you know if if

2001
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:10,400
somebody wants to make a phone call and

2002
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,679
say hey this is my opinion about

2003
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:14,159
something anybody in mufon can make that

2004
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,199
phone call

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01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:17,120
then in fact one of the things jan's

2006
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,199
doing constantly all day is talking to

2007
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:20,640
members

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so buffon's run by a board of directors

2009
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:25,600
that's where the decisions are made if

2010
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,480
somebody has influence yes but any one

2011
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,800
person who made a donation is not going

2012
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,719
to be able to sway the organization in

2013
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:34,480
any specific direction

2014
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:37,120
there are 13 members of the inner circle

2015
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:39,760
four of them are present or former

2016
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:43,360
international directors of mufon

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01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,640
now

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01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:46,239
i'm not looking at the card or a horse

2019
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:48,159
here because i don't know

2020
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,520
but if you have a group of high donors

2021
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:53,280
if you look at

2022
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:54,960
these donors the people who are giving

2023
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,239
the most money to move on and you see

2024
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:00,560
almost all the recent

2025
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:02,719
directors of the organization in that

2026
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,600
list

2027
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:05,440
that implies something even though it

2028
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,120
may not be true i don't know about the

2029
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:09,520
card or the horse well it may just be

2030
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:10,800
when they're looking for a director they

2031
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:12,880
look for somebody who might have the

2032
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:15,280
time and be willing to give up a part of

2033
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,560
their life to do this in which case

2034
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,800
they probably ought to have enough money

2035
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:22,960
to survive and not depend on mufon for

2036
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,239
it so is it the card or the horse why

2037
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:28,480
are four out of 13 present or former

2038
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:30,000
directors

2039
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,520
because they're passionate people you

2040
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,360
know jan harzan

2041
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:35,760
came in to mufon making a lot more money

2042
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:38,400
than he makes now okay he does this

2043
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:41,280
because he is genuinely interested in

2044
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,760
the subject and to imply that this inner

2045
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,440
circle has some kind of influence at the

2046
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,120
same time previously we're talking about

2047
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,679
how mufon seems to have not really

2048
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:51,679
reinvented itself or made any progress

2049
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:53,600
in the last x number of years if there's

2050
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:55,280
this mysterious inner circle influencing

2051
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,480
something wouldn't you see radical

2052
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:58,080
change happening that there's no other

2053
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,360
explanation for nobody is doing anything

2054
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,120
that really deserves this kind of

2055
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:05,520
scrutiny mufon is doing the best it can

2056
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,360
to advance its agenda it is not

2057
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:11,520
funded to any ridiculous amount and the

2058
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,840
truth of the matter is i've seen jan get

2059
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:15,360
run through so many ringers that if it

2060
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,800
was me i would have looked at what i'm

2061
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,480
getting paid and i would have walked a

2062
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:20,880
long time ago he's dedicated to the

2063
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cause and he has the full support of the

2064
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people behind him because they

2065
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understand that this is not a guy that

2066
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needs the the money that he gets paid

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he gave up a very lucrative promising

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career to go and do this for only one

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reason because he's passionate about the

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subject let's do our break here ron

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james and gene steinberg you're in the

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i think the other arguments you can make

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here about the inner circle is does it

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hold move on back because of the fact

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that you have these people who have

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influence within the organization that's

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another thing all right but let's leave

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it there because we can't prove anything

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one way or the other let me just address

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that that's an interesting thing

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as progress is being made

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there's always going to be the so-called

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old guard that wants to keep things the

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same

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but i think that there's a real openness

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within the organization now

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i can't speak for the inner circle

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because again i don't really think that

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those guys are the ones shaping policy i

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know that we're going to be live

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streaming the mufon symposium i know

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that i am going to be talking to the

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board about my vision for mufon tv i'm

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not being asked to address the inner

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circle i'm being asked to talk to the

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board and so

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if the inner circle was making the

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decisions i'd be talking to them

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that so let's leave it at that how many

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members of the board are also members of

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the inner circle do you know

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no i i can't answer that how about the

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john ventry issue now he's allowed to

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hold any opinion he wants but when

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somebody is posting on facebook stuff

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that's racist overtly racist and i read

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some of it

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yeah and i come let me just give you my

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background as an older guy here some of

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my best friends

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went to selma alabama with african

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americans

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to

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demonstrate for civil rights as a nice

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jewish boy from new york when i traveled

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in the south there were people who

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believed i slept in coffins at night

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so you see there's some anti-semitism

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involved certainly racist so when

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someone posts something he's

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representing an organization that's

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involved in scientific research of ufos

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he appears on a tv show as one of the

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stars and now he's doing stuff which may

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be a distraction but it reflects poorly

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on the organization do you think that

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jan harzan instead of talking about

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haters could have said you know what

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stop it you know we're trying to make a

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good impression out there just don't do

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this keep it to yourself

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well look you know

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political correctness

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in many topics including how we address

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you know many societal issues has

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progressed very rapidly in just a short

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period of time so opinions you know i

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read what john said and i think it's

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horrible and that's my opinion you know

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i do a tv show with an african-american

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and the two of us are constantly

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addressing this

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the ron james dame dash show called no

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lines

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so i have a particular sensitivity

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towards keeping race relations on

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the positive end and there's a lot of

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people out there that don't agree with

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that but i personally believe that it's

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very important what happened with with

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john took a while to sort out because

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again it was new water for the

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organization here's somebody who goes

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out and makes a statement that is

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completely unacceptable nobody's arguing

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that

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but he's also been a member of the

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organization for a very long time he's

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in a very high position you can't just

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knee-jerk response knock somebody out of

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that it took a little bit of time

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to figure out the appropriate action and

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to take it and you know

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john was relieved of his of his director

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position and there's a lot of other

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things politically going on behind the

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scenes but that statement cost him

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dearly and the criticism that mufon got

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for not reacting faster i think is

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really undeserved the decision was made

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within days

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and

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you know based on the fact that that was

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a decision that had to be made

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by not just jan conversations had to be

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held and consensus needed to be reached

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before something that drastic could

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happen you know when fox news the story

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about bill o'reilly came out about his

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womanizing it took fox news 30 days to

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finally decide to fire him bill o'reilly

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was doing this and they paid millions of

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dollars

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years ago he was doing the same thing

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the only reason he was fired this time

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is because they caught him people were

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ready to sue

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that's why it happened if this stuff was

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kept under the rug as it was

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12 15 years ago nothing would have come

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you wouldn't have heard about the

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problems with bill o'reilly i know but

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everybody's entitled to their opinion as

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long as they keep their opinion out of

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the public spotlight and they are not

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reflecting directly on the organization

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they can keep their opinion you can't

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start censoring people's minds

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the key is here is if you're dealing

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with a sensitive subject

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ufos that people a lot of people think

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it's pretty wacky as it is

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and so maybe you're kind of forced to

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say well you know hold your tongue don't

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make a big deal of this keep it to

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yourself and maybe the lesson to jan

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harzan here to be sensible about rather

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than be extreme is you know what you saw

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this happen

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be very circumspect in the future be

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circumspect about people who speak even

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if it's

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investigator they represent the

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organization and you've got to keep

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the reins on because you're dealing with

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a sensitive thing let them hold their

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opinion but when you speak for the

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organization or seem to

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suddenly they have to answer for things

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that they didn't even plan on answering

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for well i know but you gotta you also

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have to understand that lessons are

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learned based on circumstances that

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occur this is new territory for mufon to

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have this kind of thing happen i think

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they handled it very well and for all

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those people that want to question the

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influence and power of the inner circle

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you know we're talking about a guy who

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was on it and this issue

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transcended anything he could do to stay

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on it so it pretty much shows whatever

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you want to attribute to this inner

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circle thing doesn't really apply

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because when something egregious was

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done

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status of donation levels and inner

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circle membership did not apply he was

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he was removed in a pretty expedient

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manner and if you try to cascade

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responsibility down through your entire

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membership that's like the nra saying

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that somebody just because somebody's a

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member of the nra we'd now have to

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police their ability to have free speech

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i think state directors people in

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positions of power board members yeah

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they need to watch what they say but you

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can't go and police the behavior and the

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and this and to say in the speech of

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every single member of the organization

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i think that in the future there could

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be guidelines adapted but you know

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that's like saying that the aarp if

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you're going to be a member aarp you

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can't say anything that goes against

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them or you can't say anything

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politically incorrect

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you can only police the opinions of

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people and the verbiage they say to a

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certain level within your organization

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you can't cap free speech on an entire

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membership so i think the john ventry

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situation was handled properly i think

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it continues to be handled properly and

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for all the people that had this outcry

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you know i don't even really understand

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what it was a guy said something he

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shouldn't have said and you know there

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was repercussions

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so

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case closed okay the key hearing once

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again is it's not the individual members

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it's people who

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are in a position to

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speak for the organization a field

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investigator a state director as he was

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someone who was one of the stars of the

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tv show

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this is a spokesman for the organization

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a spokesperson

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and therefore when they do something

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that's excessive or improper

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that's when it requires the clamping

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down not when an individual member

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states but if an individual member

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starts mouthing off saying i'm a member

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of mufon

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and they start giving hate speech where

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you can say why post that stuff is a

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member of mufon he posted it as an

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individual yes true but he's already a

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spokesperson for the organization and no

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matter what happens

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there's going to be the connection

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and that's why it doesn't look good if

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he wants to say that to his own friends

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or family quietly privately fine you're

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in a public position he's a public

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spokesperson he's a tv star you've got

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01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,600
everybody a little more careful with any

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of this you know things happen you

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handle them the best you can you learn

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your lessons and you move along and you

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hopefully apply that there's been a lot

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of issues like this that have popped up

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with people not being happy and people

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not getting along inside of mufon and

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01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:32,719
allegations being made i think they've

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been overblown they've been studied

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01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:37,840
policies and procedures are and will be

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put in place that will make these you

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01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:41,280
know make situations like this there'll

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be a way a process to handle them you

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don't know how you're going to react to

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a situation until you're in it and there

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is not enough time in the day and

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resources and mufon to come up with

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01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:53,040
policies and procedures to react to

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01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:54,400
every little thing that could possibly

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happen we're just like you know

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everybody is just growing and learning

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and experiencing and getting better

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from

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to them and so

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yeah there's really no reason to to just

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continue

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um

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the kind of negative

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influx of energy

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okay ron remind your listeners

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that we have a second radio show after

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01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:21,440
the power cast you can only hear it if

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01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:23,600
you were a member of power cast plus

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01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:25,520
and we have power cast plus thanks to

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this is kurt 70 author of ufo mysteries

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and you're listening to the paracast

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[Music]

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so let's continue folks let's look at

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the fact that you're going to be

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streaming the mufon symposium and again

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they're criticisms there

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of course

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okay but the criticism is not so much

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that they have a symposium but you've

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got speakers there

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who are appear to be poorly vetted

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with no reputation for factual accuracy

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you have an organization that's putting

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forth the faith

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of the member in

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a means by which they present ufo

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01:35:47,110 --> 01:35:45,520
evidence and now you've got a bunch of

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01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:47,120
people walking in there about a secret

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01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:49,760
space program that's what it's all about

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01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:51,840
now i'm not saying don't present

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01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,320
information about secret space programs

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01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:56,880
but if you have an annual symposium and

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01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:58,400
you're bringing people in here and you

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want to educate them

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about a phenomenon they should

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understand

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01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:04,960
why do you bring a secret space program

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into it except maybe as a side subject

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01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:09,679
or a secondary subject and why do you

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bring speakers who

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do not have the remotest reputation for

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01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:15,760
any

2575
01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:18,880
accurate information well again this is

2576
01:36:22,709 --> 01:36:20,639
my own opinion i'm not officially

2577
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:22,719
speaking for mufon but

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01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:25,040
the case that jan makes about that is

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we'll present you this stuff and you can

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make up your own mind if you have 10

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guys running for president and

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it doesn't matter what they're saying if

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they have made it to the point where

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they're standing in that in that room

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and they've gotten enough recognition

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that

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they are

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qualified to stand in that room then if

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you're having an event

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that is going to discuss

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01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:50,800
the conversation among these groups then

2592
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:52,880
you invite everybody in the room again

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01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:53,840
we're not

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01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:56,960
endorsing anybody's stories or opinions

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01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:58,159
some of these people have gotten to the

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point where enough people have listened

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01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,040
to them rather you think it's ludicrous

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01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:03,360
or you think there's truth to it that

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01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:04,800
they're welcome to come and state their

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case the mufon symposium this year is

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01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:09,280
really cool because we're exploring the

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secret space program from a lot of

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01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:12,080
different angles

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01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:13,760
the first question that you have to ask

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is well is there a secret space program

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01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:18,400
absolutely i mean even if it's just a

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01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:20,159
little space plane that goes up in and

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01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:21,440
flies around for a year and nobody's

2609
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:23,360
telling us what it is that's the secret

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01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:26,639
space program so are there bases on mars

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01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:28,960
who knows we are giving

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01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:31,600
people a magnificent opportunity to

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01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:32,880
explore everything from the most

2614
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:35,440
conservative looks on the secret space

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01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,400
program all the way to what may be

2616
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:40,560
considered the most esoteric and extreme

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01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:42,080
and we are live streaming it around the

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01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:44,239
world for people to watch and make up

2619
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:46,320
their own minds we're not endorsing

2620
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,560
anybody's story we're just saying okay

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01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:50,159
these are the people that are in this

2622
01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:51,760
arena right now

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01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:53,679
like it or not it's not our opinion

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we're not censors we're taking this

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group

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01:38:01,430 --> 01:37:58,719
and we're giving them all a platform and

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a chance to state their case and

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01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:03,119
also what's really cool a chance for

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people to ask their questions when

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someone speaks before an organization it

2631
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imparts a greater level of credibility

2632
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:12,080
and the question is how far do you go

2633
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:14,239
with this presentation do you next

2634
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:16,560
invite michael horn the american

2635
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representative for billy meyer

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01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,960
and let him present something what about

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01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:22,800
the people who are running a site

2638
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that claims that george adamski's ufo

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contacts were real when they were

2640
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exposed 50 years ago

2641
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so okay well

2642
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:31,520
let's look at this you you've you've

2643
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cited two situations that have been

2644
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:35,760
largely debunked completely

2645
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:37,280
the jury is still out on some of these

2646
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:39,040
guys would you rather my opinion okay

2647
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:40,480
whatever i'm not even gonna voice my

2648
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opinion but there has been no abs

2649
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:45,119
unfortunately a lot of these claims are

2650
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unprovable so there can't be debunking

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or

2652
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:50,560
verification but you know these are not

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people that have have largely

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01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:55,280
fallen from grace with provable

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01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:56,639
distrust there's a lot of people that

2656
01:38:59,750 --> 01:38:58,159
think well there's there can't be

2657
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,760
anything to this story but there's also

2658
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:01,520
people that think well you know like i

2659
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:03,040
said due to the nature of reality

2660
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:05,600
anything's possible i suppose so

2661
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:07,280
there's nobody up there that has been

2662
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:09,920
radically debunked to a point where they

2663
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,360
would be collectively ridiculed so

2664
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:15,760
again keep an open mind and have fun you

2665
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,480
know the symposium is about

2666
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:20,320
it at the end of the day it's it's about

2667
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:22,960
entertainment and it's about

2668
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:25,679
taking in everything that the

2669
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:27,920
topic has to offer put together a great

2670
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list of guests and the idea that some of

2671
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:32,480
them are

2672
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:34,400
saying things that are pretty extreme i

2673
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:36,159
think that just adds to it you know at

2674
01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:37,920
the end of the day you don't want to be

2675
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:39,679
doing something that's just

2676
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:40,880
mundane

2677
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:42,719
we've invited these people to come and

2678
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:45,679
step into the the controversy and are

2679
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:46,960
they going to be held accountable for

2680
01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:48,000
the things that they're saying are they

2681
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:49,760
going to be asked the tough questions

2682
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,639
maybe here more than anywhere and so

2683
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:54,400
we're serving we're serving the the

2684
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:56,480
point and we're we're having fun with it

2685
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:59,119
and there's nothing wrong with that

2686
01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:01,040
okay so your

2687
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:03,040
contention here is it doesn't matter

2688
01:40:07,109 --> 01:40:04,880
whether it's true or not let's just look

2689
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:07,119
at it and see what we learned but let me

2690
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:09,360
ask you a question here that's not it a

2691
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:11,280
lot of this stuff is unprovable so it

2692
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:12,560
doesn't matter

2693
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:16,239
true or not i'm saying that if

2694
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,679
somebody's out there saying it and

2695
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:19,280
they've got enough people listening to

2696
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:21,840
them then fine come and say it to us and

2697
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:24,080
let us make up our own minds we're we're

2698
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:25,760
not in the position of saying this

2699
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:27,600
person's probably not telling something

2700
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that's not true we can't prove it either

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01:40:33,590 --> 01:40:31,360
way but because we think that we're

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going to exclude them even though

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they're making more

2704
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um they're getting more recognition

2705
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spreading more material than anyone else

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in the field so

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you know it's we're not the we are not

2708
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:44,719
the judges of truth we are the

2709
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:46,719
presenters of

2710
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:48,960
opinions sides and stories

2711
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,639
the people out there watching this and

2712
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:53,360
taking it in are the judges of their own

2713
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:55,920
truth and we just invite you guys to be

2714
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:57,760
that come enjoy it listen to what

2715
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:59,040
everybody has to say and make up your

2716
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:01,520
own mind and and be happy that we were

2717
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,320
able to present such an unbiased

2718
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:06,880
um presentation without our own opinions

2719
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:09,600
about people coming in and shaping it

2720
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:11,600
okay so it's designed basically is

2721
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:13,520
entertainment to fill seats that's not

2722
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:15,920
what i said i said it's designed to to

2723
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:16,719
be

2724
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,719
we're taking all sides

2725
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:20,159
of this topic

2726
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:22,400
we're bringing it into one place and

2727
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:24,480
we're presenting it in a way that

2728
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,239
enables everybody else to make up their

2729
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:28,800
own minds and if that if that happens to

2730
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:30,400
be fun and enjoyable

2731
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:31,199
well

2732
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:33,679
you know shame on us i think it's good

2733
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:35,840
all right we can take that

2734
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:36,960
either way

2735
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:38,880
like that but the point is here is it

2736
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:40,320
fills seats

2737
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:42,239
it is going to be entertaining

2738
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:43,199
i guess

2739
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,679
and the only question i would have here

2740
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:48,400
is how the public media will react to it

2741
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:50,239
i'll give you an example of that

2742
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,840
as you know

2743
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,440
every year we

2744
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:55,440
chris and i go to the international ufo

2745
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:56,800
congress

2746
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:59,199
in fountain hills arizona that's at one

2747
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:00,400
of the

2748
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:03,760
native american casinos near phoenix

2749
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:04,880
and

2750
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:07,440
one year there was a story

2751
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:10,080
suggesting it was just a place for ufo

2752
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,239
abductees to commiserate

2753
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:14,639
now that year you had the normal

2754
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:17,199
cross-section of ufo opinions

2755
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,639
sightings

2756
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:20,239
i think richard dolan was talking about

2757
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:22,560
ufos in the national security state that

2758
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:24,560
kind of thing and there are a few people

2759
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:26,080
talking about abductions such as

2760
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:28,960
kathleen martin and

2761
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:31,360
the impression of one of the few stories

2762
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:33,760
that actually even involved this event

2763
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:36,239
was was just a place for abductees to

2764
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:37,760
commiserate which

2765
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:40,239
certainly there were abductees there but

2766
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:42,719
that's not what it was about

2767
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,119
it was only a cross section so

2768
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:47,040
what you see unfortunately with the way

2769
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:49,040
the press covers the subject

2770
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:50,719
is that those with the most extreme

2771
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:52,000
beliefs

2772
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:54,480
about secret space programs

2773
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,679
the ones

2774
01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:57,600
who are the most sensational in their

2775
01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:59,840
presentation guess who's going to be

2776
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:01,040
mentioned

2777
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,440
prominently in that coverage

2778
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:05,520
does that convey the right impression

2779
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,560
for mufon mufan wants to scientifically

2780
01:43:12,790 --> 01:43:11,040
investigate ufos

2781
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:12,800
so do you have a symposium where you're

2782
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:14,320
dealing with something that may not even

2783
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:16,239
be related it could be

2784
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:18,320
may not even be related

2785
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:19,199
and

2786
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:22,560
is susceptible to that kind of treatment

2787
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:24,239
well maybe but you know at the end of

2788
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:25,440
the day

2789
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:27,280
information is dispersed to the public

2790
01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:29,360
and what the public gloms onto and the

2791
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:32,080
media gloms onto is the responsibility

2792
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,440
of them

2793
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:34,880
the you know i sat down with linda

2794
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:36,400
molten howe and we talked about some of

2795
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:39,119
this stuff and is it possible that

2796
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:40,880
there's technology that could actually

2797
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:43,360
make some of these claims happen

2798
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:45,040
some people think so is it fringe

2799
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:48,080
science absolutely but

2800
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:50,880
again it's not our thing if if we're

2801
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:53,360
broadcasting the mufon symposium and

2802
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:55,440
there's one person that people gravitate

2803
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:57,360
to well we didn't do that that's the

2804
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,040
public demanding it

2805
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:01,440
and for us to exclude somebody who's

2806
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:04,000
prominent in this subject rather

2807
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,040
for any reason if they're willing to

2808
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:09,600
come and and and put their their story

2809
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:11,600
on the table for everybody to digest

2810
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:13,440
that we're not censors

2811
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:15,040
so if we say let's address the secret

2812
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:17,040
space program this year well who are the

2813
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:18,560
top people out there making noise about

2814
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:20,719
the secret space program okay those are

2815
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:22,560
the ones that are going to come and the

2816
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:24,000
noise they're making as long as they

2817
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:26,400
haven't been proven to be completely

2818
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:27,520
um

2819
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:29,040
you know irrelevant

2820
01:44:31,990 --> 01:44:30,400
they're going to be on the invite list

2821
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:32,000
and the fact that they have the nerve to

2822
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:34,480
stand in front of this organization and

2823
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:36,560
say what they have to say

2824
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:39,679
you know kudos to them so again the

2825
01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:41,040
media is going to choose whatever it

2826
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:42,639
wants to choose if the media wants to

2827
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:45,119
say oh so and so person was at the mufon

2828
01:44:50,149 --> 01:44:48,000
symposium well then that's the public

2829
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:50,159
choosing what they want to consume we're

2830
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:52,159
giving them a whole buffet and if they

2831
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:53,600
choose to consume something that's not

2832
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:55,280
our fault

2833
01:44:59,350 --> 01:44:56,880
well all right but

2834
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:59,360
they have to know in advance

2835
01:45:03,510 --> 01:45:00,960
how people are going to react certainly

2836
01:45:05,830 --> 01:45:03,520
if they have a responsible public

2837
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,840
information arm they know that these

2838
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,679
things can bring certain types of

2839
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:09,600
reactions but i want to ask you in our

2840
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:11,920
next segment about secret space program

2841
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:14,719
and what you think about it all right

2842
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:15,600
we have

2843
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:17,440
documentary producer

2844
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:20,480
ron james he's working with mufon in

2845
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:22,080
connection with

2846
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:24,960
a video channel but again he will point

2847
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:26,639
out he's not an official spokesperson

2848
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:28,639
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and now

2901
01:48:11,669 --> 01:48:08,050
here's jane steinberg

2902
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:14,870
ron james secret space program sir all

2903
01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:16,080
right let's look at secret space

2904
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:18,080
programs obviously we know about spy

2905
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:19,280
satellites

2906
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:21,760
so that's a secret space program they

2907
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:23,760
launch spy satellites

2908
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:26,080
any country capable of some kind of

2909
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:28,320
space flight launches

2910
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:31,199
spy satellites russia does china does

2911
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:33,920
india do they do it also whatever we

2912
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:36,239
know that's normal but secret space

2913
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:37,760
programming this connection when we get

2914
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:40,480
involved in our field implies more

2915
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,639
what's your impression

2916
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:44,400
you know i think it's totally subject to

2917
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,520
opinion i've looked at this a lot and

2918
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,520
there's very few things in the field in

2919
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:51,360
the et phenomenon that i will say i

2920
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:52,560
think are

2921
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:54,320
probable fact and there's pretty much

2922
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:56,880
nothing that i will say is absolute fact

2923
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:59,199
from a journalistic standpoint

2924
01:49:02,149 --> 01:49:00,639
so when we talk about the secret space

2925
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:02,159
program

2926
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:03,679
there is evidence

2927
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:05,280
that there was designs on the drawing

2928
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:07,440
board for space faring craft

2929
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:09,440
back as early as after apollo during

2930
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:11,440
apollo it's possible

2931
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:13,040
we know that we have some sort of secret

2932
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,800
stuff going on in space

2933
01:49:18,629 --> 01:49:16,960
now is it possible that we have bases on

2934
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:18,639
the moon and even mars and that we have

2935
01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:19,840
an inner

2936
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,159
solar system fleet of space capable

2937
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:24,800
ships i suppose it's possible i haven't

2938
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:26,800
seen anything that proves it to me some

2939
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,639
of the claims beyond that start to get a

2940
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:30,639
little far-fetched i i

2941
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:32,000
don't even venture to state that it

2942
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:33,840
might be possible but again i can't have

2943
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:35,199
a solid opinion

2944
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:36,480
the idea is certainly we know that

2945
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:38,719
there's a secret space program

2946
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:41,360
and the idea that we may have some ships

2947
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:42,719
up there

2948
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:44,239
i would i would sign on to that being

2949
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:45,920
possible but i won't say yeah i believe

2950
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:48,080
it um so you know that's kind of my

2951
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:49,760
opinion about it

2952
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:52,159
so you don't see any evidence this point

2953
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:55,040
that anything more elaborates going on

2954
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:56,719
well there doesn't really seem to be a

2955
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:58,400
lot of evidence i've talked to a lot of

2956
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:00,560
people about it um there's a lot of

2957
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:03,520
speculation there's a lot of stories but

2958
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:04,960
you know there doesn't seem to be any

2959
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:06,400
kind of solid

2960
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:08,400
there's a lot better evidence for other

2961
01:50:11,590 --> 01:50:10,239
aspects of this phenomenon than there is

2962
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:11,600
for

2963
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:12,880
extreme

2964
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:15,199
deployments of the secret space program

2965
01:50:18,870 --> 01:50:17,040
well and look at that is that an

2966
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:18,880
important enough subject then to devote

2967
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:21,600
the entire mufon symposium to i was

2968
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:24,639
thinking you want to do it bring on a

2969
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:25,679
few people

2970
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:27,520
prominent in the area get a pro or con

2971
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:29,280
opinion but why

2972
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:30,880
then if there's

2973
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:32,480
not much evidence

2974
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:34,960
of anything more than the spy satellites

2975
01:50:39,669 --> 01:50:37,520
that you'd expect that we even have a

2976
01:50:41,590 --> 01:50:39,679
symposium devoted to it

2977
01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:41,600
because it's the buzzword in the field

2978
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:44,239
and the fact of the matter is that you

2979
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,560
know again my our opinion

2980
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:48,960
is not what's relevant here whether or

2981
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:51,840
not i believe in any level of a secret

2982
01:50:58,709 --> 01:50:54,639
space program does not weigh my decision

2983
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:58,719
to investigate it as much as how much of

2984
01:51:02,790 --> 01:51:00,960
a conversation topic it is in the field

2985
01:51:05,189 --> 01:51:02,800
that we're in if a lot of people were

2986
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:05,199
talking about whether or not there were

2987
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:07,760
uh buildings on mars

2988
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:09,199
then we'd probably be looking at

2989
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:12,000
devoting a big segment of of an event to

2990
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:14,400
is there buildings on mars so then we

2991
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:17,280
bring richard hoagland or something

2992
01:51:21,189 --> 01:51:19,119
if richard well you know richard

2993
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,199
hoagland has things to say

2994
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:23,280
and and some people listen to him so in

2995
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:24,960
the interest of keeping the debate

2996
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:27,119
neutral and lively and presenting all

2997
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:29,520
sides fairly anybody who is relevant in

2998
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:31,119
the field and has not been largely

2999
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:32,800
discredited would be on the potential

3000
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:34,239
guest list and again i'm not speaking

3001
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:36,159
for mufon this is just my own personal

3002
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,239
opinion when i do my my media and my

3003
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:40,320
shows if you watch bigger questions i've

3004
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:42,239
interviewed a lot of people that i don't

3005
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:43,679
necessarily believe everything they say

3006
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:45,199
but i give them their platform and i let

3007
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,800
my viewers decide

3008
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:48,960
so again i think that's the best

3009
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,440
approach and if the secret space program

3010
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:54,239
is the buzz word in the field of study

3011
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:56,000
of the et phenomenon then there's

3012
01:51:59,510 --> 01:51:58,000
nothing wrong with theming the symposium

3013
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:59,520
every year the symposium has a different

3014
01:52:02,709 --> 01:52:00,320
theme

3015
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:02,719
and and it's usually based on what's

3016
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:04,800
relevant at the time and that's just

3017
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:10,950
so this is the buzz this is the word

3018
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,040
use this as a means to bring people in

3019
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:15,360
who might be interested in the subject

3020
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:16,960
it's a tool then

3021
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:18,639
you know it seems like

3022
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,080
just trying to find little plays on

3023
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:22,080
words a lot of people are talking about

3024
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:23,520
the secret space program there's a lot

3025
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:25,440
of speculation about it there's a lot of

3026
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:26,400
different

3027
01:52:29,830 --> 01:52:27,920
opinions about it and there's a lot of

3028
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:29,840
people coming out

3029
01:52:33,669 --> 01:52:31,360
with things to say

3030
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:33,679
more so than any other element of the

3031
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:36,239
study right now so yeah it's not a tool

3032
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:38,480
it is organization doing its job to

3033
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:40,239
bring light to the most talked about

3034
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:42,480
elements of the field if you look at

3035
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:44,480
some of our other guests

3036
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:46,080
we've got gary mckinnon he's coming in

3037
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:48,159
from skype this is a big deal this is a

3038
01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:49,840
guy that says he found stuff on the nasa

3039
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:51,280
computers and the government got mad

3040
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:53,840
enough at him to really put him in the

3041
01:52:56,310 --> 01:52:55,440
hot seat so

3042
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:56,320
he doesn't make these kind of

3043
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:57,920
appearances this is groundbreaking he's

3044
01:53:01,990 --> 01:52:59,520
going to come tell his story whether you

3045
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:02,000
want to believe it or not is irrelevant

3046
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:04,159
to the fact that we're presenting him to

3047
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,400
you you get to choose we're just

3048
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:08,320
enabling you to view the information

3049
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:09,840
we've got insiders that are going to

3050
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,400
talk about technology that is real we've

3051
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:14,320
got people that are going to talk about

3052
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:16,960
how the technology to create warp drives

3053
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:19,119
and travel to the stars is feasible

3054
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:21,360
we've got scientific minds we've got the

3055
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:23,119
speculative minds and we've got people

3056
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:25,360
telling us of wild journeys it's a great

3057
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:27,920
combination of people it's a fun event i

3058
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:30,320
think it's just designed to really

3059
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:32,000
enlighten anybody who wants to watch it

3060
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:33,679
what you choose to believe is is your

3061
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:35,679
decision but it's going to be fun and

3062
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:37,440
it's going to be move on bringing a good

3063
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:40,080
collection of views from all standpoints

3064
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:41,920
to the public and there's nothing wrong

3065
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:44,080
with that it's actually admirable secret

3066
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:45,840
space program well there you have it if

3067
01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:48,239
you're interested go take a look and see

3068
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:49,440
what you think about it what do you

3069
01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:51,520
think of the secret space program well

3070
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:53,920
it gets back to the same thing again

3071
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:56,239
obviously there are spies

3072
01:54:01,910 --> 01:53:59,840
going on obviously there are efforts

3073
01:54:03,189 --> 01:54:01,920
to test technologies and we accept

3074
01:54:05,109 --> 01:54:03,199
that's going on

3075
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:05,119
i do think though that worries me this

3076
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:06,239
is the thing that really worries me

3077
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:08,719
about the space program is that after

3078
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:09,520
the

3079
01:54:12,709 --> 01:54:11,599
original moon shots we kind of gave up

3080
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,719
on everything

3081
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:14,639
i mean if you look at even the science

3082
01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:17,199
fiction projections from the 70s and 60s

3083
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:19,840
like 2001 we figured

3084
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:22,880
there would be a steady level of

3085
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:25,360
advancements in space travel

3086
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:28,159
and we get to mars and we get to saturn

3087
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:31,840
and we get further but it all stopped

3088
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:34,560
after the last moon landing other than

3089
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:36,400
the space shuttle see there's a lot of

3090
01:54:39,910 --> 01:54:37,760
people that think that's a little too

3091
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:39,920
convenient so you can say it all stop

3092
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:41,520
but the people that are talking about oh

3093
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:43,199
i believe there's a secret space program

3094
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:44,239
i believe there's a breakaway

3095
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:45,599
civilization

3096
01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:46,800
they point to that and they say it's

3097
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:49,360
kind of odd that at the same time we

3098
01:54:53,669 --> 01:54:51,520
probably had the ability to design and

3099
01:54:55,750 --> 01:54:53,679
deploy space fare and craft it never

3100
01:54:58,709 --> 01:54:55,760
happened we had plans to put a base on

3101
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:58,719
the moon it never happened we had tons

3102
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:00,480
of money disappear into black budgets

3103
01:55:03,990 --> 01:55:02,400
and nobody knows where it went but none

3104
01:55:06,790 --> 01:55:04,000
of these things ever happened i just

3105
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,800
have an open mind and again i'm

3106
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:09,119
aware of the flexible nature of reality

3107
01:55:13,589 --> 01:55:11,119
enough to know that

3108
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:13,599
anything could be true and and maybe it

3109
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:15,840
is somewhere in some version of our

3110
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:19,040
electric universe so it's it's just hard

3111
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:21,040
to wrap your head around the

3112
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:23,280
possibilities and be open-minded enough

3113
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:25,440
to acknowledge them it's easier to just

3114
01:55:28,870 --> 01:55:27,040
point fingers at people and go what he

3115
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:28,880
says makes sense what he says isn't true

3116
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:30,800
and be in the state of judgment all the

3117
01:55:35,669 --> 01:55:34,000
time at the mufon symposium my purpose

3118
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:35,679
personal purpose

3119
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:37,360
for wanting to live stream it around the

3120
01:55:41,350 --> 01:55:38,400
world

3121
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:41,360
is to share the sense of wonder that

3122
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:43,520
comes from imagination

3123
01:55:47,669 --> 01:55:44,320
and

3124
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:47,679
then applying them to your own personal

3125
01:55:51,589 --> 01:55:49,760
experience and taking a journey and i

3126
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:51,599
think that this year's group of people

3127
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:53,199
in this year's group of presentations

3128
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:54,960
are just going to be

3129
01:55:59,830 --> 01:55:57,840
mine candy for people that

3130
01:56:01,830 --> 01:55:59,840
live to create and live to think and

3131
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:01,840
explore and wonder it's just it's all

3132
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:03,760
about expanding your mind and having fun

3133
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:05,199
being a human

3134
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:06,880
so there's still an entertainment aspect

3135
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:08,320
there but you hope people will learn

3136
01:56:11,510 --> 01:56:09,760
something people will start thinking

3137
01:56:13,750 --> 01:56:11,520
about things that they didn't think

3138
01:56:15,350 --> 01:56:13,760
about before

3139
01:56:17,189 --> 01:56:15,360
well if you're if you're not entertained

3140
01:56:19,030 --> 01:56:17,199
in some way by everything you explore

3141
01:56:21,109 --> 01:56:19,040
then you shouldn't be exploring it you

3142
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:21,119
know i i'm i'm a fan of all of this

3143
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:22,080
stuff

3144
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:24,159
but i'm not doing it with my nose to the

3145
01:56:27,750 --> 01:56:26,239
grindstone thinking oh you know why do i

3146
01:56:30,070 --> 01:56:27,760
want to explore

3147
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:30,080
but it's all extremely entertaining the

3148
01:56:35,430 --> 01:56:33,440
whole idea of exploring the unexplained

3149
01:56:37,189 --> 01:56:35,440
is extremely entertaining

3150
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:37,199
it's there's nothing wrong with that

3151
01:56:40,229 --> 01:56:38,880
it's a great way to spend your time it's

3152
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:40,239
a much better way to spend your time

3153
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:42,480
than watching you know toilet paper

3154
01:56:46,870 --> 01:56:44,080
commercials on tv

3155
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:46,880
so if you are entertained by exploring

3156
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:49,199
the meaning of our existence then you're

3157
01:56:57,350 --> 01:56:55,910
okay so let's go to the next step here

3158
01:56:58,870 --> 01:56:57,360
certainly you're involved in presenting

3159
01:57:01,589 --> 01:56:58,880
lots and lots of public information

3160
01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:01,599
about strange things that are going on

3161
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:02,639
so

3162
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:06,800
looking at mufon or any organization

3163
01:57:10,950 --> 01:57:09,840
are we now just going to present the e.t

3164
01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:10,960
fact

3165
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:12,000
in

3166
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:15,360
try

3167
01:57:19,830 --> 01:57:17,440
to focus on something that's going to

3168
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:19,840
appeal to mainstream scientists

3169
01:57:24,790 --> 01:57:22,400
and say we've got this weird phenomenon

3170
01:57:26,709 --> 01:57:24,800
maybe it's spaceships maybe it's not

3171
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:26,719
it deserves further explanation it's not

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01:57:29,189 --> 01:57:28,000
going to be just a few thousand

3173
01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:29,199
believers

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we got more to come with ron james

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documentary producer i'm gene steinberg

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all right before we go on to his

3277
02:02:17,669 --> 02:02:15,040
response about can we get more

3278
02:02:19,109 --> 02:02:17,679
mainstream science involved ron james a

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reminder that we have a second radio

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lots more

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plus not the powercast.com we also have

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neither way a new

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youtube channel the official powercrash

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channel on youtube slowly populating it

3292
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with content

3293
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:50,960
so the point i was making

3294
02:02:55,510 --> 02:02:52,639
ron james is that

3295
02:02:56,470 --> 02:02:55,520
we're looking here how do we

3296
02:02:58,310 --> 02:02:56,480
take

3297
02:03:00,790 --> 02:02:58,320
all the stuff that's going on

3298
02:03:01,750 --> 02:03:00,800
and make more of mainstream science pay

3299
02:03:03,270 --> 02:03:01,760
attention

3300
02:03:06,629 --> 02:03:03,280
well let's look at the history of

3301
02:03:09,030 --> 02:03:06,639
science there is nothing that received

3302
02:03:11,990 --> 02:03:09,040
scientific validation in the modern

3303
02:03:15,430 --> 02:03:12,000
world that was not once thought to be

3304
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:15,440
completely ludicrous so we have a funnel

3305
02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:16,560
system

3306
02:03:22,149 --> 02:03:19,920
that runs science it's a big open funnel

3307
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:22,159
a bunch of stuff gets dumped in

3308
02:03:27,189 --> 02:03:24,880
and down at the bottom what scientists

3309
02:03:29,669 --> 02:03:27,199
is willing to accept comes out

3310
02:03:31,830 --> 02:03:29,679
now if you're not entertaining the stuff

3311
02:03:33,910 --> 02:03:31,840
that goes into the funnel you can't get

3312
02:03:35,750 --> 02:03:33,920
to the facts if the people that were

3313
02:03:37,350 --> 02:03:35,760
talking about

3314
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:37,360
the world being around and revolving

3315
02:03:39,589 --> 02:03:38,560
around the sun

3316
02:03:41,270 --> 02:03:39,599
were

3317
02:03:42,709 --> 02:03:41,280
not saying something was completely

3318
02:03:44,149 --> 02:03:42,719
outrageous then science wouldn't have

3319
02:03:46,149 --> 02:03:44,159
been able to get to the bottom of it and

3320
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:46,159
say well wait a minute that's true every

3321
02:03:51,270 --> 02:03:49,440
single scientific validation

3322
02:03:54,229 --> 02:03:51,280
since the age of science

3323
02:03:56,229 --> 02:03:54,239
came from a ludicrous claim

3324
02:03:58,550 --> 02:03:56,239
evolution i mean i could just go on and

3325
02:04:00,950 --> 02:03:58,560
on so right now the fact that we're

3326
02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:00,960
serving the entire funnel from the

3327
02:04:05,109 --> 02:04:03,360
information in to the information out is

3328
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:05,119
not a conflict of interest you cannot

3329
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:07,760
have the scientific information without

3330
02:04:11,510 --> 02:04:10,400
dumping everything into the hopper so to

3331
02:04:13,350 --> 02:04:11,520
say

3332
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:13,360
that you're not serving science by

3333
02:04:16,950 --> 02:04:15,040
serving speculation

3334
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:16,960
is just not correct we're serving

3335
02:04:20,629 --> 02:04:19,280
science by serving speculation because

3336
02:04:23,030 --> 02:04:20,639
i'm not saying that though i'm not

3337
02:04:24,950 --> 02:04:23,040
saying that i'm saying how

3338
02:04:27,990 --> 02:04:24,960
do you take this towards science because

3339
02:04:30,390 --> 02:04:28,000
we know a lot of times it's difficult to

3340
02:04:32,229 --> 02:04:30,400
move giant ships

3341
02:04:34,149 --> 02:04:32,239
so how do you get more interest there

3342
02:04:35,750 --> 02:04:34,159
have been scattered

3343
02:04:38,709 --> 02:04:35,760
levels of scientific interest in the

3344
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:38,719
subject over the years dr j allen

3345
02:04:42,950 --> 02:04:39,760
heineck

3346
02:04:44,070 --> 02:04:42,960
a traditional scientist and astronomer

3347
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:44,080
ended up

3348
02:04:48,229 --> 02:04:45,599
being very seriously interested in the

3349
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:48,239
subject and accepting a very wide range

3350
02:04:52,390 --> 02:04:49,360
of belief

3351
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:52,400
but he had to accept the evidence

3352
02:04:56,229 --> 02:04:54,239
and he had to be in a position to see

3353
02:04:58,149 --> 02:04:56,239
the evidence

3354
02:04:59,830 --> 02:04:58,159
and for the most part at the beginning

3355
02:05:02,070 --> 02:04:59,840
he thought it was something that could

3356
02:05:03,750 --> 02:05:02,080
be explained away how let's think about

3357
02:05:05,669 --> 02:05:03,760
this for a second there's an illusion

3358
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:05,679
that science isn't addressing the et

3359
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:06,400
issue

3360
02:05:09,350 --> 02:05:07,920
but if you were the guardians of this

3361
02:05:11,189 --> 02:05:09,360
information the managers of the

3362
02:05:12,470 --> 02:05:11,199
information

3363
02:05:14,470 --> 02:05:12,480
wouldn't you be taking the best

3364
02:05:16,790 --> 02:05:14,480
scientists and skirting them off into

3365
02:05:18,070 --> 02:05:16,800
your clandestine program

3366
02:05:19,589 --> 02:05:18,080
and they'd be the ones studying the

3367
02:05:20,870 --> 02:05:19,599
information while the mainstream guys

3368
02:05:22,310 --> 02:05:20,880
are all saying oh yeah there's nothing

3369
02:05:23,750 --> 02:05:22,320
to that we're not studying that we don't

3370
02:05:26,229 --> 02:05:23,760
want to study that you keep the ridicule

3371
02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:26,239
factor in place but i guarantee you the

3372
02:05:30,870 --> 02:05:28,480
best minds in science on this planet are

3373
02:05:32,870 --> 02:05:30,880
currently engaged in this issue

3374
02:05:34,629 --> 02:05:32,880
we just don't know about it okay so the

3375
02:05:36,149 --> 02:05:34,639
government's doing that

3376
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:36,159
whatever organization i don't

3377
02:05:39,990 --> 02:05:38,159
necessarily believe that it's the

3378
02:05:41,910 --> 02:05:40,000
government like the president i think

3379
02:05:44,550 --> 02:05:41,920
that at some point

3380
02:05:46,390 --> 02:05:44,560
it was decided that certain information

3381
02:05:48,390 --> 02:05:46,400
about our existence on this planet would

3382
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:48,400
be sequestered from the population

3383
02:05:52,950 --> 02:05:50,560
and that there would be an organization

3384
02:05:54,950 --> 02:05:52,960
with very little accountability in place

3385
02:05:56,790 --> 02:05:54,960
to manage the information

3386
02:05:59,510 --> 02:05:56,800
if you look at human nature and how

3387
02:06:01,830 --> 02:05:59,520
things work that's not a stretch

3388
02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:01,840
so to say that there's somebody sitting

3389
02:06:05,430 --> 02:06:03,440
at the cia that knows all this stuff i

3390
02:06:07,109 --> 02:06:05,440
think it's way deeper than that i'm not

3391
02:06:08,310 --> 02:06:07,119
going to say oh i believe in mj 12 or

3392
02:06:09,430 --> 02:06:08,320
any of those things although i think

3393
02:06:12,390 --> 02:06:09,440
that something like that is quite

3394
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:12,400
possible but what i am saying is that if

3395
02:06:15,830 --> 02:06:14,400
there is a phenomenon that needs to be

3396
02:06:18,229 --> 02:06:15,840
studied

3397
02:06:19,750 --> 02:06:18,239
whatever it is

3398
02:06:20,790 --> 02:06:19,760
and it needs to be kept from the public

3399
02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:20,800
attention

3400
02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:22,880
there is no shortage

3401
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:25,440
of scientific minds that the people that

3402
02:06:29,350 --> 02:06:27,440
are guarding this information can tap

3403
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:29,360
and once they tap them they are no

3404
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:30,400
longer

3405
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:31,920
speaking publicly about what they're

3406
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:33,920
doing so this idea that there's no

3407
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:35,679
scientific exploration of this

3408
02:06:39,830 --> 02:06:37,920
phenomenon is i think

3409
02:06:41,430 --> 02:06:39,840
naive i think that there's plenty of

3410
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:41,440
scientific explanation of many

3411
02:06:46,069 --> 02:06:43,520
phenomenons going on including psychic

3412
02:06:48,310 --> 02:06:46,079
including the interdimensional including

3413
02:06:50,229 --> 02:06:48,320
the et phenomenon i think it's probably

3414
02:06:53,030 --> 02:06:50,239
one of the biggest fields in science but

3415
02:06:54,629 --> 02:06:53,040
the people doing it are not talking

3416
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:54,639
okay so

3417
02:06:57,589 --> 02:06:55,920
there is

3418
02:07:00,310 --> 02:06:57,599
some group within the government major

3419
02:07:02,310 --> 02:07:00,320
kio called it the silence group but

3420
02:07:04,470 --> 02:07:02,320
there are people within the government

3421
02:07:06,310 --> 02:07:04,480
seriously investigating these things and

3422
02:07:08,790 --> 02:07:06,320
they will call upon whatever scientific

3423
02:07:12,229 --> 02:07:08,800
resources they need and when donald

3424
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:12,239
rumsfeld a day before 9 11. we talked

3425
02:07:17,109 --> 02:07:14,960
about a couple of trillion dollars

3426
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:17,119
not being

3427
02:07:21,030 --> 02:07:19,679
available or missing

3428
02:07:22,390 --> 02:07:21,040
it's going somewhere they're not

3429
02:07:26,069 --> 02:07:22,400
spending as they say in the movie

3430
02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:26,079
independence day 750 for toilet seats

3431
02:07:30,870 --> 02:07:28,320
that's a lot of money and and if if you

3432
02:07:33,990 --> 02:07:30,880
want to say could you build a ship that

3433
02:07:35,510 --> 02:07:34,000
could be like like a submarine in space

3434
02:07:37,589 --> 02:07:35,520
we have technology we could do that

3435
02:07:39,669 --> 02:07:37,599
right now it's a simple propulsion

3436
02:07:42,069 --> 02:07:39,679
system an airtight body a way of

3437
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:42,079
regenerating oxygen supplies that we

3438
02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:44,000
could have built that in the 60s i'm not

3439
02:07:46,790 --> 02:07:45,280
saying that for sure because i'm not a

3440
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:46,800
scientist but i believe that it could

3441
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:49,360
have been done and so i'm not saying it

3442
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:52,079
was done but i'm just saying that the

3443
02:07:55,430 --> 02:07:54,000
you know the the idea that science isn't

3444
02:07:57,430 --> 02:07:55,440
studying this field i think is

3445
02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:57,440
completely off i think that science is

3446
02:08:00,229 --> 02:07:58,800
studying this field greatly we just

3447
02:08:02,069 --> 02:08:00,239
don't know about it

3448
02:08:03,589 --> 02:08:02,079
now when you go back to the early 50s

3449
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:03,599
and early sightings

3450
02:08:06,870 --> 02:08:04,880
one of the things we've talked about in

3451
02:08:10,550 --> 02:08:06,880
recent episodes of the power cast is the

3452
02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:10,560
possibility of government intervention

3453
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:12,239
and that some of the things that

3454
02:08:16,149 --> 02:08:14,239
happened that were strained for really

3455
02:08:18,149 --> 02:08:16,159
test aircraft

3456
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:18,159
nick redfearn's talking about the body

3457
02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:21,280
snatchers in the desert that roswell was

3458
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:23,760
a result of a failed experiment

3459
02:08:26,709 --> 02:08:25,840
human experimentation where people died

3460
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:26,719
because

3461
02:08:29,669 --> 02:08:28,320
we had people there in the government

3462
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:29,679
who didn't care

3463
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:31,599
how people were impacted

3464
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:33,679
so this possibility here that there was

3465
02:08:37,030 --> 02:08:35,199
some sort of government involvement

3466
02:08:38,390 --> 02:08:37,040
especially in the early years of the ufo

3467
02:08:40,950 --> 02:08:38,400
field

3468
02:08:42,629 --> 02:08:40,960
and possibly ongoing that maybe a

3469
02:08:43,910 --> 02:08:42,639
certain percentage

3470
02:08:47,109 --> 02:08:43,920
of some of the

3471
02:08:49,830 --> 02:08:47,119
key ufo events were not

3472
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:49,840
spaceships or paranormal events but

3473
02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:51,920
something that belongs to us

3474
02:08:54,709 --> 02:08:53,440
what do you think

3475
02:08:56,790 --> 02:08:54,719
yeah i mean i think that's absolutely

3476
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:56,800
possible you know the thing is is when

3477
02:09:01,910 --> 02:08:59,520
when you start to filter your opinion

3478
02:09:04,790 --> 02:09:01,920
by what you want to be true that's when

3479
02:09:07,189 --> 02:09:04,800
you lose your journalistic edge and so

3480
02:09:08,629 --> 02:09:07,199
do i suspect that there was probably an

3481
02:09:09,510 --> 02:09:08,639
alien

3482
02:09:11,830 --> 02:09:09,520
cause

3483
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:11,840
behind the roswell incident sure is it

3484
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:13,920
possible that what you said is true

3485
02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:15,920
absolutely sure there's no definitive

3486
02:09:21,189 --> 02:09:18,800
evidence either way and so to

3487
02:09:23,430 --> 02:09:21,199
state an opinion based on the fact that

3488
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:23,440
it's largely unprovable either way at

3489
02:09:26,790 --> 02:09:24,639
this point

3490
02:09:28,950 --> 02:09:26,800
and really glom onto that opinion that's

3491
02:09:30,950 --> 02:09:28,960
not the responsibility of a journalist

3492
02:09:32,870 --> 02:09:30,960
or a presenter that's the responsibility

3493
02:09:34,709 --> 02:09:32,880
of a researcher or somebody who wants to

3494
02:09:35,990 --> 02:09:34,719
come out in favor of an opinion but i'm

3495
02:09:37,589 --> 02:09:36,000
not that person

3496
02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:37,599
okay as a matter of fact you're probably

3497
02:09:42,149 --> 02:09:39,520
saying nothing dissimilar to what kevin

3498
02:09:44,390 --> 02:09:42,159
randle said in looking at roswell for

3499
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:44,400
the book roswell in the 21st century

3500
02:09:48,229 --> 02:09:47,199
that he's no longer certain as he was at

3501
02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:48,239
one time

3502
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:50,159
about the cause of roswell something

3503
02:09:53,669 --> 02:09:51,440
happened but

3504
02:09:55,910 --> 02:09:53,679
the evidence or possible evidence that

3505
02:09:57,430 --> 02:09:55,920
alien bodies were seen

3506
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:57,440
can't be confirmed

3507
02:10:00,790 --> 02:09:59,280
he doesn't see something pointing

3508
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:00,800
necessarily to a spaceship though it

3509
02:10:05,189 --> 02:10:04,000
could be that if anything he's less

3510
02:10:07,350 --> 02:10:05,199
certain

3511
02:10:09,189 --> 02:10:07,360
of the roswell evidence now than before

3512
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:09,199
not that nothing happened

3513
02:10:13,189 --> 02:10:10,880
because something happened but i don't

3514
02:10:16,069 --> 02:10:13,199
know what it is and maybe at this point

3515
02:10:17,910 --> 02:10:16,079
it is unknowable unless

3516
02:10:20,709 --> 02:10:17,920
something happened

3517
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:20,719
really strange and it's been kept

3518
02:10:23,910 --> 02:10:22,480
under the wraps of secrecy all these

3519
02:10:26,310 --> 02:10:23,920
years we got more to come a couple more

3520
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:26,320
segments with ron james documentary

3521
02:10:34,600 --> 02:10:29,520
producer i'm gene steinberg you're in

3522
02:10:34,610 --> 02:10:39,910
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3523
02:10:44,669 --> 02:10:43,350
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3524
02:10:47,589 --> 02:10:44,679
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in fact ron james there was a book out a

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couple years back from james carrion

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former

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international director of mufon as a

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matter of fact

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and he was with them when robert bigelow

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for time was contributing money towards

3634
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investigation i'm not going to get into

3635
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that whole thing didn't work out so well

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he wrote a book called the rosetta

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deception

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that the ghost rockets

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of world war ii and thereafter

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were really

3641
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designed to spook the russians

3642
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:46,239
there was no spaceships or paranormal

3643
02:15:50,790 --> 02:15:48,719
phenomenon there it was all

3644
02:15:51,990 --> 02:15:50,800
fake news so you see the point i'm

3645
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:52,000
raising here

3646
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sure

3647
02:15:56,709 --> 02:15:54,960
well when we when we talk about you know

3648
02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:56,719
roswell we know something happened and

3649
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:58,079
when you look at the circumstantial

3650
02:16:02,470 --> 02:15:59,920
evidence is to

3651
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why would an extraterrestrial force be

3652
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:04,880
in that place at that time it's kind of

3653
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:06,320
coincidental that we have the whole

3654
02:16:10,629 --> 02:16:09,040
nuclear thing going on and so

3655
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:10,639
some of the some of the circumstantial

3656
02:16:14,709 --> 02:16:12,480
evidence kind of weighs

3657
02:16:16,149 --> 02:16:14,719
in favor of there being

3658
02:16:17,510 --> 02:16:16,159
an extraterrestrial presence but you

3659
02:16:19,830 --> 02:16:17,520
could also say well no it was russian

3660
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:19,840
spies so who knows i do believe the

3661
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:21,280
information is out there there's some

3662
02:16:24,310 --> 02:16:22,960
very interesting new information that's

3663
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:24,320
surfaced that i can't talk about right

3664
02:16:30,470 --> 02:16:27,760
now but i have been um asked to kind of

3665
02:16:32,629 --> 02:16:30,480
participate in a roswell reinvestigation

3666
02:16:34,790 --> 02:16:32,639
by somebody who's interested in

3667
02:16:36,389 --> 02:16:34,800
seeing a film about some of the later

3668
02:16:37,110 --> 02:16:36,399
revelations that have come out recently

3669
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:37,120
so

3670
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:40,080
roswell i say case not closed

3671
02:16:43,110 --> 02:16:41,280
but don't you think unless there's

3672
02:16:45,190 --> 02:16:43,120
something really new about it that

3673
02:16:46,389 --> 02:16:45,200
people have got to be tired of roswell

3674
02:16:47,509 --> 02:16:46,399
at this point

3675
02:16:49,509 --> 02:16:47,519
you wanna you know what's really

3676
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:49,519
interesting roswell people will say it's

3677
02:16:52,309 --> 02:16:50,880
been done to death but do you know that

3678
02:16:54,070 --> 02:16:52,319
there's never been a definitive

3679
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:54,080
feature-length documentary made about

3680
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:56,080
roswell

3681
02:17:02,389 --> 02:17:00,800
in documentaries but that's not

3682
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:02,399
necessarily feature length maybe it's a

3683
02:17:05,990 --> 02:17:03,840
couple of episodes but that's almost a

3684
02:17:08,230 --> 02:17:06,000
feature length yeah there there's never

3685
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:08,240
been an actual documentary film about

3686
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:10,800
roswell it's all been tv segments uh

3687
02:17:15,830 --> 02:17:13,040
short pieces but there's never been

3688
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:15,840
and nobody's ever tied it together

3689
02:17:19,830 --> 02:17:17,280
with everything that's out there right

3690
02:17:22,309 --> 02:17:19,840
now there's some information about where

3691
02:17:24,230 --> 02:17:22,319
raymie went right after the incident

3692
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:24,240
that has surfaced and there's just a lot

3693
02:17:28,709 --> 02:17:25,920
of things that are happening

3694
02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:28,719
that keep the story alive so you know i

3695
02:17:32,469 --> 02:17:30,719
don't know where where it goes but i

3696
02:17:33,910 --> 02:17:32,479
know that there's some new information

3697
02:17:36,150 --> 02:17:33,920
that is a little bit

3698
02:17:37,429 --> 02:17:36,160
it's very interesting just say that are

3699
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:37,439
you aware of the nature of the

3700
02:17:41,429 --> 02:17:40,000
information or just in general no i'm

3701
02:17:42,709 --> 02:17:41,439
completely aware of it i just can't talk

3702
02:17:44,629 --> 02:17:42,719
about it right now

3703
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:44,639
let's just hope it's nothing like the

3704
02:17:48,150 --> 02:17:46,800
roswell slides or not the rossignol

3705
02:17:49,589 --> 02:17:48,160
slides

3706
02:17:51,589 --> 02:17:49,599
there's going to be no live stream

3707
02:17:53,750 --> 02:17:51,599
revelation i am not in possession of a

3708
02:17:54,950 --> 02:17:53,760
smoking gun i am not making any claims

3709
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:54,960
i'm just saying that there's some very

3710
02:17:58,790 --> 02:17:56,559
interesting information

3711
02:18:00,950 --> 02:17:58,800
that really adds to the circumstantial

3712
02:18:03,429 --> 02:18:00,960
evidence that something really extreme

3713
02:18:04,709 --> 02:18:03,439
happened and that we're investigating it

3714
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:04,719
further and that it's going to be part

3715
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of one of my next pieces of work so no

3716
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i'm not trying to build on real

3717
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expectations or make claims

3718
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is there a time frame for completing

3719
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this project

3720
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:16,559
it's still on the drawing boards right

3721
02:18:19,589 --> 02:18:17,760
now so

3722
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:19,599
with everything i do

3723
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,960
because you know i don't just make films

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02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:22,399
every once in a while i also produce an

3725
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ongoing show in fact i do nine different

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original shows so i'm very busy so i

3727
02:18:32,389 --> 02:18:28,880
can't say oh yeah it's coming out in

3728
02:18:34,309 --> 02:18:32,399
july of 2017 or whatever

3729
02:18:36,230 --> 02:18:34,319
as momentum builds for it and as i

3730
02:18:38,150 --> 02:18:36,240
become more and more excited about

3731
02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:38,160
seeing some of this information pan out

3732
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:40,319
it will move closer to the front burner

3733
02:18:45,830 --> 02:18:43,280
of ron's media machine

3734
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:45,840
can we relate what happened at roswell

3735
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:49,439
to the ufo mystery of today

3736
02:18:53,990 --> 02:18:50,639
i don't really understand what you mean

3737
02:18:56,469 --> 02:18:54,000
by that i mean okay so for example

3738
02:18:59,830 --> 02:18:56,479
if there's a genuine event

3739
02:19:01,830 --> 02:18:59,840
yes and roswell unexplained

3740
02:19:04,950 --> 02:19:01,840
that would be therefore part of

3741
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:04,960
the ongoing ufo phenomenon

3742
02:19:08,230 --> 02:19:07,040
or something else

3743
02:19:10,629 --> 02:19:08,240
yeah i think that kind of goes without

3744
02:19:12,549 --> 02:19:10,639
saying when you say you know to the ufo

3745
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:12,559
thing today there's there's a there's a

3746
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:14,800
there's a legend or a mythos if you want

3747
02:19:18,230 --> 02:19:17,040
to call it that there's a culture

3748
02:19:22,150 --> 02:19:18,240
there's a

3749
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:22,160
of different aspects to what you could

3750
02:19:26,870 --> 02:19:25,120
call the ufo phenomenon today um i can

3751
02:19:28,230 --> 02:19:26,880
tell you right now that the

3752
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:28,240
what a lot of people that are hardcore

3753
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:30,800
in the in the in the field are not

3754
02:19:35,429 --> 02:19:33,200
really aware of is that this is the

3755
02:19:38,629 --> 02:19:35,439
biggest topic circulating through pop

3756
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:38,639
culture this is no longer a few guys you

3757
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:41,280
know like 4 000 people in mufon or a few

3758
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:43,120
people that attend a conference

3759
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:46,000
the history channel did alien con and 12

3760
02:19:49,510 --> 02:19:48,080
000 people showed up i've been involved

3761
02:19:51,349 --> 02:19:49,520
in another conference that's going to be

3762
02:19:53,030 --> 02:19:51,359
stadium-sized and it's going you know

3763
02:19:55,110 --> 02:19:53,040
these things are going to be huge the

3764
02:19:57,910 --> 02:19:55,120
biggest shows on television of this

3765
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:57,920
genre are the et shows ancient aliens is

3766
02:20:01,349 --> 02:19:59,760
garnering more views than ever

3767
02:20:03,910 --> 02:20:01,359
the millennials and the younger

3768
02:20:05,830 --> 02:20:03,920
generation coming up are addressing this

3769
02:20:07,830 --> 02:20:05,840
issue in a completely different manner

3770
02:20:08,710 --> 02:20:07,840
than we did they

3771
02:20:10,710 --> 02:20:08,720
are

3772
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:10,720
completely convinced take it as a given

3773
02:20:13,910 --> 02:20:12,080
that there's life in outer space

3774
02:20:16,309 --> 02:20:13,920
nobody's arguing that anymore even our

3775
02:20:18,150 --> 02:20:16,319
science is saying yeah there's got to be

3776
02:20:19,830 --> 02:20:18,160
life out there you know

3777
02:20:22,150 --> 02:20:19,840
a while back science was saying now

3778
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:22,160
we're probably alone so

3779
02:20:26,309 --> 02:20:23,920
we're this whole next generation of

3780
02:20:27,990 --> 02:20:26,319
humans is growing up aware

3781
02:20:29,830 --> 02:20:28,000
that they might now all have different

3782
02:20:31,349 --> 02:20:29,840
opinions and different viewpoints as to

3783
02:20:33,429 --> 02:20:31,359
what that life is and what its

3784
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:33,439
interaction with planet earth is but

3785
02:20:37,030 --> 02:20:36,240
there's very few kids out there now that

3786
02:20:40,070 --> 02:20:37,040
are

3787
02:20:42,309 --> 02:20:40,080
oh yeah there's no aliens that's that's

3788
02:20:44,469 --> 02:20:42,319
tin foil hat stuff they all know it and

3789
02:20:46,150 --> 02:20:44,479
they all understand it on an intuitive

3790
02:20:46,870 --> 02:20:46,160
level and if you listen to enough people

3791
02:20:50,950 --> 02:20:46,880
heck

3792
02:20:52,790 --> 02:20:50,960
they could be hybrids themselves so

3793
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:52,800
it's what we're seeing is that this

3794
02:20:57,990 --> 02:20:55,439
traditional ufology as we call it is

3795
02:21:00,230 --> 02:20:58,000
being outstripped by a more mainstream

3796
02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:00,240
recognition and there is no

3797
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:01,840
ridicule factor

3798
02:21:05,910 --> 02:21:04,560
going on right now among the kids that

3799
02:21:07,830 --> 02:21:05,920
are talking about these topics and

3800
02:21:09,830 --> 02:21:07,840
there's a lot of young kids that are

3801
02:21:10,830 --> 02:21:09,840
really excited about this stuff and even

3802
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:10,840
more

3803
02:21:15,670 --> 02:21:13,680
cross-culturally it's a huge issue

3804
02:21:18,150 --> 02:21:15,680
you know for people that think that

3805
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:18,160
that the study of the et field is is

3806
02:21:21,349 --> 02:21:19,680
general is limited to certain

3807
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:21,359
nationalities in certain cultures it's

3808
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:23,600
not it's worldwide and it doesn't matter

3809
02:21:28,150 --> 02:21:25,600
what color you are what religion you are

3810
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,160
there's an interest in it so we have a

3811
02:21:32,550 --> 02:21:30,720
whole new generation coming up where the

3812
02:21:35,030 --> 02:21:32,560
existence in of

3813
02:21:36,150 --> 02:21:35,040
life in outer space is a given the

3814
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:36,160
existence

3815
02:21:39,190 --> 02:21:37,840
the fact that we have probably not been

3816
02:21:41,750 --> 02:21:39,200
told the truth by the people that

3817
02:21:43,190 --> 02:21:41,760
possess it is a given and the fact is

3818
02:21:45,270 --> 02:21:43,200
sooner or later we're going to find out

3819
02:21:47,590 --> 02:21:45,280
the answer is a given and so there's

3820
02:21:50,630 --> 02:21:47,600
almost this this level of patience at

3821
02:21:52,230 --> 02:21:50,640
this point because we already know

3822
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:52,240
you know we don't have the details but

3823
02:21:56,389 --> 02:21:54,720
we already know and

3824
02:21:58,309 --> 02:21:56,399
that is more prevalent in the younger

3825
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:58,319
generations than it is in our generation

3826
02:22:01,910 --> 02:22:00,479
and that's what we're facing in in 20

3827
02:22:04,070 --> 02:22:01,920
years we're going to have a world where

3828
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:04,080
it's it's a given that there's life in

3829
02:22:07,510 --> 02:22:06,000
outer space and in 20 years we're

3830
02:22:08,870 --> 02:22:07,520
probably going to have proof that

3831
02:22:12,469 --> 02:22:08,880
there's life in outer space we might

3832
02:22:14,710 --> 02:22:12,479
have it in 20 months with kepler so

3833
02:22:17,270 --> 02:22:14,720
the the field of ufology as we have

3834
02:22:19,270 --> 02:22:17,280
traditionally looked at it is going to

3835
02:22:22,150 --> 02:22:19,280
evolve to the point where it is no

3836
02:22:24,230 --> 02:22:22,160
longer a field it's a part of life as a

3837
02:22:26,950 --> 02:22:24,240
human being and that that's where we're

3838
02:22:28,469 --> 02:22:26,960
headed and so that's why i i just have

3839
02:22:30,630 --> 02:22:28,479
to laugh at all this infighting that

3840
02:22:31,990 --> 02:22:30,640
happens in this field with oh well i

3841
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:32,000
believe you know

3842
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:33,680
aliens are killing cows no it can't be

3843
02:22:37,910 --> 02:22:35,280
that it's something else it's like chill

3844
02:22:39,510 --> 02:22:37,920
out people it's that's not the point

3845
02:22:41,670 --> 02:22:39,520
the point is it's good there's something

3846
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:41,680
going on we're gonna find out what it is

3847
02:22:46,070 --> 02:22:43,520
and our next generation our children

3848
02:22:49,110 --> 02:22:46,080
already know on an intuitive level that

3849
02:22:50,790 --> 02:22:49,120
we are part of a galactic family and

3850
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:50,800
why they know that

3851
02:22:54,550 --> 02:22:53,280
is open to speculation let me ask you a

3852
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,560
question there

3853
02:22:58,710 --> 02:22:56,640
and i've talked to my son who's 31 so

3854
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,720
maybe he's a bit too old

3855
02:23:02,230 --> 02:23:00,319
and he's read some ufo books and he's

3856
02:23:04,469 --> 02:23:02,240
aware of what i do and he's gone to ufo

3857
02:23:06,230 --> 02:23:04,479
conventions with me but when you go to a

3858
02:23:07,990 --> 02:23:06,240
place like the international ufo

3859
02:23:10,469 --> 02:23:08,000
congress

3860
02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:10,479
and you look at the people attending

3861
02:23:13,429 --> 02:23:11,680
and they're all

3862
02:23:15,750 --> 02:23:13,439
mostly over 50.

3863
02:23:17,110 --> 02:23:15,760
yeah oldsters and then we have this

3864
02:23:19,110 --> 02:23:17,120
young interest

3865
02:23:20,710 --> 02:23:19,120
and you look at this and you look at all

3866
02:23:22,309 --> 02:23:20,720
these ufo events and i bet the same

3867
02:23:24,630 --> 02:23:22,319
thing is going to be true about the

3868
02:23:26,070 --> 02:23:24,640
mufon symposium though possibly the

3869
02:23:27,429 --> 02:23:26,080
secret space program will get some

3870
02:23:28,870 --> 02:23:27,439
younger people

3871
02:23:30,950 --> 02:23:28,880
you wonder here

3872
02:23:32,870 --> 02:23:30,960
150 000 people will certainly go to a

3873
02:23:35,670 --> 02:23:32,880
comic con

3874
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:35,680
in san diego but we can't get

3875
02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:37,760
a thousand people if we're lucky

3876
02:23:42,070 --> 02:23:40,240
to come to a ufo conference except maybe

3877
02:23:45,429 --> 02:23:42,080
contact in the desert or something like

3878
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:45,439
that and maybe in our final segment

3879
02:23:48,790 --> 02:23:47,200
let's look at that and that interest so

3880
02:23:50,309 --> 02:23:48,800
if there is an innate interest among

3881
02:23:51,349 --> 02:23:50,319
millennials

3882
02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:51,359
that

3883
02:23:56,230 --> 02:23:53,680
some fascinating things are out there

3884
02:23:57,990 --> 02:23:56,240
life is out there maybe it relates to

3885
02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:58,000
ufos maybe it doesn't but certainly a

3886
02:24:01,349 --> 02:23:59,680
lot of fascinating things

3887
02:24:03,830 --> 02:24:01,359
may come out in the years ahead and we

3888
02:24:05,349 --> 02:24:03,840
can talk briefly about disclosure but

3889
02:24:06,950 --> 02:24:05,359
whatever

3890
02:24:07,990 --> 02:24:06,960
the key here is

3891
02:24:10,710 --> 02:24:08,000
how

3892
02:24:12,550 --> 02:24:10,720
does the ufo field

3893
02:24:15,429 --> 02:24:12,560
attract them how do they

3894
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:15,439
or do we just die off which

3895
02:24:19,270 --> 02:24:17,120
will be less time for me than for you

3896
02:24:21,429 --> 02:24:19,280
ron we just die off let the next

3897
02:24:23,349 --> 02:24:21,439
generation take over and they'll figure

3898
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:23,359
it out for themselves we've got ron

3899
02:24:27,510 --> 02:24:25,680
james going to be around for a few years

3900
02:24:29,190 --> 02:24:27,520
gene steinberg going to be around maybe

3901
02:24:34,580 --> 02:24:29,200
for a few less years

3902
02:24:34,590 --> 02:24:39,910
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3903
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you know you're being lied to about

3908
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space the mufon 2017 symposium gives you

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find out from aerospace insiders like

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3916
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still here a little bruised inside but

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i'm still here

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okay so the point being here is does

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this

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more encompassing approach taken by

4024
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mufon do it

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02:29:43,590 --> 02:29:42,640
what do we do to get these kids

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to

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look at what we're doing

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and get interested or just make it their

4029
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own well the thing is is that this old

4030
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paradigm is not attractive to them

4031
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because they don't operate within it

4032
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it's not just in this field anytime

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you're trying to sell the next

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generation

4035
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you're going to fall flat on your face

4036
02:30:07,030 --> 02:30:05,280
the kids that are growing up now for one

4037
02:30:07,830 --> 02:30:07,040
thing they're not questioning the e.t

4038
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thing

4039
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they know it and with that comes an

4040
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innate sense of patience they're not

4041
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demanding the truth because they know

4042
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sooner or later they're going to get the

4043
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truth

4044
02:30:19,030 --> 02:30:17,439
it's a whole different mindset

4045
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if they want the information they don't

4046
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have to go to a conference they just

4047
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have to go to their phone everything's

4048
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there so the idea that you're going to

4049
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get a bunch of people to come to this

4050
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pop culture conferences like comic-con

4051
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attract people because the kids get to

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come and interact with their stars and

4053
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their worlds and their pop culture

4054
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entertainment that's why you can get

4055
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that many people at an event like that

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this is a different field just a

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specialized field you know there's a lot

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of really important stuff out there that

4059
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does not attract tens of thousands of

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people to a public forum and so you know

4061
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:50,080
you say comic-con as an example sure but

4062
02:30:54,150 --> 02:30:52,319
it has a pop culture element the et

4063
02:30:55,349 --> 02:30:54,160
field isn't like that this addresses

4064
02:30:57,349 --> 02:30:55,359
existence

4065
02:30:59,110 --> 02:30:57,359
when you already know innately and

4066
02:31:00,309 --> 02:30:59,120
you've already seen enough evidence and

4067
02:31:01,990 --> 02:31:00,319
you already know that you're not being

4068
02:31:03,270 --> 02:31:02,000
told the truth and you pretty much know

4069
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:03,280
that there's nothing you can do about it

4070
02:31:07,590 --> 02:31:05,040
until somebody decides to tell you the

4071
02:31:09,830 --> 02:31:07,600
truth with that comes a patient

4072
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:09,840
resignation and when i say resignation i

4073
02:31:14,870 --> 02:31:12,960
don't mean disinterest i mean okay we

4074
02:31:16,309 --> 02:31:14,880
know it already by the time you tell us

4075
02:31:18,070 --> 02:31:16,319
we're going to know it already by the

4076
02:31:19,750 --> 02:31:18,080
time it becomes relevant to us in our

4077
02:31:21,910 --> 02:31:19,760
daily lives we're certainly going to

4078
02:31:23,590 --> 02:31:21,920
know it so we're moving on we're

4079
02:31:25,190 --> 02:31:23,600
interested in the topic but we know it

4080
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:25,200
it's like you can spend your whole life

4081
02:31:29,110 --> 02:31:27,200
trying to prove that if you cook

4082
02:31:31,750 --> 02:31:29,120
escargot a certain way it's going to

4083
02:31:33,510 --> 02:31:31,760
taste really great but once you taste

4084
02:31:34,790 --> 02:31:33,520
escargo in a certain way and it tastes

4085
02:31:37,030 --> 02:31:34,800
really great then you're not obsessed

4086
02:31:38,389 --> 02:31:37,040
with it anymore so when you're crying

4087
02:31:40,469 --> 02:31:38,399
out for proof and you're part of that

4088
02:31:42,870 --> 02:31:40,479
movement demanding demanding demanding

4089
02:31:44,469 --> 02:31:42,880
and wanting to know and investigating

4090
02:31:46,469 --> 02:31:44,479
and trying to figure it out and that's

4091
02:31:48,790 --> 02:31:46,479
been your passion for your whole life

4092
02:31:51,590 --> 02:31:48,800
well what you don't realize is that your

4093
02:31:53,429 --> 02:31:51,600
work has created an environment where

4094
02:31:55,349 --> 02:31:53,439
you've made your case you've made your

4095
02:31:58,150 --> 02:31:55,359
case to the next generation and they get

4096
02:32:00,150 --> 02:31:58,160
it now they're just like okay we get it

4097
02:32:03,510 --> 02:32:00,160
we understand it's a whole different

4098
02:32:06,309 --> 02:32:03,520
mindset and when the truth the mindset

4099
02:32:08,790 --> 02:32:06,319
of our kids and the evolution of human

4100
02:32:10,870 --> 02:32:08,800
consciousness all comes together there

4101
02:32:12,230 --> 02:32:10,880
is going to be nobody in that generation

4102
02:32:13,830 --> 02:32:12,240
that goes what do you mean there's

4103
02:32:15,349 --> 02:32:13,840
aliens i had no idea they're all going

4104
02:32:17,349 --> 02:32:15,359
to be like yeah you know we've been

4105
02:32:20,070 --> 02:32:17,359
waiting for you to tell us and again

4106
02:32:22,790 --> 02:32:20,080
when it becomes relevant to their lives

4107
02:32:24,790 --> 02:32:22,800
in such a way that hey we can join the

4108
02:32:26,710 --> 02:32:24,800
intergalactic space fleet and go do

4109
02:32:29,190 --> 02:32:26,720
trade programs on other planets

4110
02:32:31,750 --> 02:32:29,200
that's when it'll be front and center so

4111
02:32:33,910 --> 02:32:31,760
then there will be no formal disclosure

4112
02:32:36,150 --> 02:32:33,920
it's just going to be these kids will

4113
02:32:38,230 --> 02:32:36,160
take the oncoming events as they get

4114
02:32:40,630 --> 02:32:38,240
older embrace them and be aware of

4115
02:32:42,070 --> 02:32:40,640
what's going on i can't say for sure you

4116
02:32:44,469 --> 02:32:42,080
know i've worked very closely with steve

4117
02:32:46,389 --> 02:32:44,479
bassett he's my one of my best friends i

4118
02:32:48,230 --> 02:32:46,399
believe wholeheartedly in the work that

4119
02:32:50,870 --> 02:32:48,240
he's doing because i think that it

4120
02:32:53,750 --> 02:32:50,880
absolutely has to be done the big d

4121
02:32:55,510 --> 02:32:53,760
disclosure where a political president

4122
02:32:57,349 --> 02:32:55,520
steps up with two grey aliens will that

4123
02:32:58,950 --> 02:32:57,359
happen i don't know some kind of

4124
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:58,960
disclosure is obviously going to have to

4125
02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:00,800
happen we've been getting the slow drip

4126
02:33:05,670 --> 02:33:03,920
of disclosure but at the end of the day

4127
02:33:07,750 --> 02:33:05,680
anybody who's paying any attention to

4128
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:07,760
this subject knows what's going on at

4129
02:33:11,429 --> 02:33:09,280
least to a reasonable level and then

4130
02:33:13,349 --> 02:33:11,439
they take their intuitive sense and they

4131
02:33:15,349 --> 02:33:13,359
see what resonates for them and that's

4132
02:33:18,150 --> 02:33:15,359
where they derive their standpoint there

4133
02:33:19,910 --> 02:33:18,160
is no shortage of information nobody is

4134
02:33:21,510 --> 02:33:19,920
being denied the truth at this point in

4135
02:33:24,070 --> 02:33:21,520
time and anybody who's really interested

4136
02:33:25,830 --> 02:33:24,080
can go out and get it in my opinion

4137
02:33:27,670 --> 02:33:25,840
disclosures already happen the rest is

4138
02:33:29,190 --> 02:33:27,680
details and that's how i finished up my

4139
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:29,200
last documentary

4140
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:31,439
the disclosure dialogues do we need the

4141
02:33:36,150 --> 02:33:34,560
body politic to come and admit it it's

4142
02:33:37,990 --> 02:33:36,160
going to have to obviously happen sooner

4143
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:38,000
or later but it's going to happen on

4144
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:40,560
their terms you know there's going to be

4145
02:33:45,670 --> 02:33:43,040
probably a generation skipped before

4146
02:33:46,950 --> 02:33:45,680
there's rails disclosure because we have

4147
02:33:48,150 --> 02:33:46,960
a situation where there's a lot of

4148
02:33:49,670 --> 02:33:48,160
people that are going to be accountable

4149
02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:49,680
for the crimes against humanity that

4150
02:33:54,469 --> 02:33:51,680
come from guarding this truth hiding

4151
02:33:56,710 --> 02:33:54,479
this technology and keeping it from us

4152
02:33:59,590 --> 02:33:56,720
while we still have guys dying in rocket

4153
02:34:01,510 --> 02:33:59,600
ships so there's a lot of implications

4154
02:34:03,110 --> 02:34:01,520
okay so you're saying there is

4155
02:34:05,510 --> 02:34:03,120
evidence

4156
02:34:07,670 --> 02:34:05,520
by whatever agencies are responsible

4157
02:34:09,270 --> 02:34:07,680
that we have advanced technology that

4158
02:34:10,710 --> 02:34:09,280
goes back to the secret space program

4159
02:34:13,429 --> 02:34:10,720
though because if we have that

4160
02:34:15,750 --> 02:34:13,439
technology we surely would be testing it

4161
02:34:19,110 --> 02:34:15,760
absolutely there's strong evidence for

4162
02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:19,120
anti-gravity propulsion patents issued

4163
02:34:22,230 --> 02:34:20,640
there's strong evidence for vast

4164
02:34:24,070 --> 02:34:22,240
underground tunnels tunnel boring

4165
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:24,080
machines nuclear powered tunnel boring

4166
02:34:27,910 --> 02:34:25,680
machines that were patented designed and

4167
02:34:30,870 --> 02:34:27,920
supposedly never deployed you know like

4168
02:34:32,710 --> 02:34:30,880
i said it's a soup of stuff the

4169
02:34:34,150 --> 02:34:32,720
possibilities are endless but when we

4170
02:34:36,309 --> 02:34:34,160
talk about the next generation and the

4171
02:34:38,389 --> 02:34:36,319
kids coming up i'm just saying that i

4172
02:34:40,469 --> 02:34:38,399
believe that they know intuitively

4173
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:40,479
that the secret will be revealed when

4174
02:34:45,750 --> 02:34:42,240
it's time to be revealed they know that

4175
02:34:48,309 --> 02:34:45,760
there is a secret and that's why you

4176
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:48,319
don't see this rabid approach to the

4177
02:34:53,750 --> 02:34:51,280
topic coming out the way we did it

4178
02:34:56,550 --> 02:34:53,760
because we were directly lied to and we

4179
02:34:58,070 --> 02:34:56,560
were directly deceived we were there

4180
02:34:59,910 --> 02:34:58,080
looking at something being told it

4181
02:35:00,870 --> 02:34:59,920
didn't happen that had a different

4182
02:35:02,230 --> 02:35:00,880
effect

4183
02:35:03,270 --> 02:35:02,240
on the people that are in this field

4184
02:35:04,389 --> 02:35:03,280
today

4185
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:04,399
than it has

4186
02:35:07,590 --> 02:35:05,760
on people that are going to enter this

4187
02:35:08,630 --> 02:35:07,600
field and if you look at youtube you're

4188
02:35:10,070 --> 02:35:08,640
going to see there's a lot of young

4189
02:35:12,230 --> 02:35:10,080
people that are that are talking about

4190
02:35:14,150 --> 02:35:12,240
this stuff so it's not like it's people

4191
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:14,160
have lost interest they're just talking

4192
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:16,080
about it their way

4193
02:35:20,070 --> 02:35:18,160
kudos to them because they're the ones

4194
02:35:22,070 --> 02:35:20,080
that are going to usher the proof of

4195
02:35:24,710 --> 02:35:22,080
this information into the fate of

4196
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:24,720
humanity okay so stephen bassett can go

4197
02:35:28,469 --> 02:35:26,560
back and get a life

4198
02:35:30,389 --> 02:35:28,479
that's funny steven bassett has actually

4199
02:35:32,710 --> 02:35:30,399
crashed on my couch right now he just

4200
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:32,720
waved no because the work that steve's

4201
02:35:36,790 --> 02:35:35,120
done has been vitally important do you

4202
02:35:38,389 --> 02:35:36,800
realize that if you look at just what

4203
02:35:39,590 --> 02:35:38,399
prg accomplished

4204
02:35:41,190 --> 02:35:39,600
up until

4205
02:35:43,110 --> 02:35:41,200
the election

4206
02:35:45,270 --> 02:35:43,120
hundreds of articles published about

4207
02:35:47,110 --> 02:35:45,280
hillary and the et connection

4208
02:35:49,349 --> 02:35:47,120
no matter what the results of that are

4209
02:35:51,670 --> 02:35:49,359
it is important work that primed the

4210
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:51,680
pumps for what's going on steve still

4211
02:35:55,590 --> 02:35:53,680
hasn't given up on disclosure and the

4212
02:35:57,510 --> 02:35:55,600
idea that maybe if we can't get the

4213
02:35:59,110 --> 02:35:57,520
president we have right now to do it

4214
02:36:01,590 --> 02:35:59,120
there's some possibilities for

4215
02:36:03,349 --> 02:36:01,600
disclosure by foreign governments

4216
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:03,359
don't give up on big d disclosure

4217
02:36:07,190 --> 02:36:05,200
because it could happen especially if

4218
02:36:09,830 --> 02:36:07,200
the hand is forced by the invisible

4219
02:36:11,990 --> 02:36:09,840
powers at the end of the day the

4220
02:36:13,990 --> 02:36:12,000
existence of extraterrestrials may

4221
02:36:15,910 --> 02:36:14,000
become so obvious that if we don't cop

4222
02:36:17,190 --> 02:36:15,920
to something it's just going to get left

4223
02:36:19,190 --> 02:36:17,200
in the exhaust

4224
02:36:21,590 --> 02:36:19,200
that's predicated on the belief that

4225
02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:21,600
this is an et phenomenon and not

4226
02:36:24,150 --> 02:36:22,399
something

4227
02:36:26,630 --> 02:36:24,160
really really

4228
02:36:28,550 --> 02:36:26,640
far stranger than that ron james would

4229
02:36:29,910 --> 02:36:28,560
you tell our listeners please if they

4230
02:36:30,790 --> 02:36:29,920
want to know more about the work you're

4231
02:36:32,550 --> 02:36:30,800
doing

4232
02:36:34,630 --> 02:36:32,560
about your different film projects where

4233
02:36:35,790 --> 02:36:34,640
do they go to check you out well they

4234
02:36:38,469 --> 02:36:35,800
can go to

4235
02:36:40,469 --> 02:36:38,479
mufontelevision.com if you want to

4236
02:36:41,830 --> 02:36:40,479
check out the mufon symposium live

4237
02:36:43,510 --> 02:36:41,840
stream which

4238
02:36:45,110 --> 02:36:43,520
rather you love it or hate it i think

4239
02:36:46,790 --> 02:36:45,120
you should definitely log on and check

4240
02:36:48,710 --> 02:36:46,800
it out because it's going to be cool it

4241
02:36:51,230 --> 02:36:48,720
does cost money of course but you can

4242
02:36:52,870 --> 02:36:51,240
find more information about that at

4243
02:36:55,110 --> 02:36:52,880
mufonsymposium.com

4244
02:36:56,710 --> 02:36:55,120
and then let's see what else oh my

4245
02:36:58,830 --> 02:36:56,720
youtube channel i put a lot of stuff out

4246
02:37:03,990 --> 02:36:58,840
there for free um so if you just go to

4247
02:37:06,150 --> 02:37:04,000
ivolvetv that's i lvol v e tv that's the

4248
02:37:07,750 --> 02:37:06,160
name of the youtube channel all of my

4249
02:37:09,590 --> 02:37:07,760
bigger question shows are on there for

4250
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:09,600
free i make these shows i don't charge

4251
02:37:13,190 --> 02:37:11,760
anything i don't make anything i have to

4252
02:37:14,950 --> 02:37:13,200
float the studio i have to pay all the

4253
02:37:17,110 --> 02:37:14,960
costs of doing it and i'm not asking for

4254
02:37:19,030 --> 02:37:17,120
anything this is just what i do i love

4255
02:37:21,190 --> 02:37:19,040
doing it so those are the three things

4256
02:37:23,590 --> 02:37:21,200
but mufon symposium.com if you want to

4257
02:37:26,230 --> 02:37:23,600
support our work and you know really

4258
02:37:28,710 --> 02:37:26,240
let's where mufon's concerned where the

4259
02:37:30,950 --> 02:37:28,720
et field is concerned and where all of

4260
02:37:33,190 --> 02:37:30,960
this is concerned let's quit picking on

4261
02:37:34,950 --> 02:37:33,200
each other let's look to the future and

4262
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:34,960
let's make the most important question

4263
02:37:40,230 --> 02:37:36,640
facing humanity

4264
02:37:42,309 --> 02:37:40,240
come closer to resolution together

4265
02:37:44,230 --> 02:37:42,319
that's what i'd like to leave you with

4266
02:37:46,230 --> 02:37:44,240
you can find us on twitter look for the

4267
02:37:47,349 --> 02:37:46,240
powercast look for the official power

4268
02:37:49,590 --> 02:37:47,359
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4269
02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:49,600
channel on youtube i'm going to ask ron

4270
02:37:53,830 --> 02:37:51,760
how we could make that even better the

4271
02:37:56,070 --> 02:37:53,840
official power cast channel on youtube

4272
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look for two official power cast fan

4273
02:38:00,790 --> 02:37:58,160
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4274
02:38:02,150 --> 02:38:00,800
on facebook we also have that other

4275
02:38:05,030 --> 02:38:02,160
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4276
02:38:07,110 --> 02:38:05,040
after the power cast it's available only

4277
02:38:08,469 --> 02:38:07,120
if you're a subscriber to the powercast

4278
02:38:11,429 --> 02:38:08,479
plus for more information go to

4279
02:38:12,830 --> 02:38:11,439
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4280
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:12,840
that's

4281
02:38:18,070 --> 02:38:15,280
plus.powercast.com in addition to after

4282
02:38:21,429 --> 02:38:18,080
the power cast which is one of these

4283
02:38:23,750 --> 02:38:21,439
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4284
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4285
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the commercial free version of this show

4286
02:38:31,990 --> 02:38:28,960
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4287
02:38:36,230 --> 02:38:34,630
ron james a lot of fun to talk to you

4288
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:36,240
and debate with you

4289
02:38:40,469 --> 02:38:37,920
and look into the issues and we look

4290
02:38:41,830 --> 02:38:40,479
forward to continuing this conversation

4291
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:41,840
thank you for joining us on the power

4292
02:38:43,990 --> 02:38:42,720
cast

4293
02:38:45,349 --> 02:38:44,000
thanks gene and i'd like to tell

4294
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:45,359
everybody out there that watches my

4295
02:39:04,389 --> 02:38:48,880
media i will never bring you a fake

4296
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:07,190
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4297
02:39:13,110 --> 02:39:10,080
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4299
02:39:18,950 --> 02:39:14,800
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